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| Lunatixz15. 02. 2021 13:37:14 |
@Jax:
I completely agree with you. But on the other hand, you can be sure that all those alpinists are PZS members and included in A insurance, and probably also big supporters of GRS (donations via their stickers, ...). That surely doesn't hold for some local day-tripper or Czech woman on vacation. In this particular case, the victim was the head of GRS Tržič and helped in a considerable number of rescue actions during his life, and on Saturday his longtime friends participated in the intervention.
So from the perspective of resources and volunteers' time, rescuing the Czech woman is much more "unjustified", at least in my opinion. Just as a response to your comment, of course I stand for helping everyone.
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| gj15. 02. 2021 14:30:54 |
My thinking is that the rescuer has to or goes into such conditions because of the psyche since consequently he rescues in such so far. Sadly in this case due to wind the 3rd danger level passed to the 4th. But you don't know that until you're on site. Once again my thinking.
Condolences to the family.
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| ppegan15. 02. 2021 14:42:29 |
@ j. that's not true, the fifth and sixth were higher in the gully and despite seeing that they were rescuing below, continued the ascent (maybe they had no choice or thought the best option was to go to the top) and thus triggered the 2nd avalanche, which then carried them away, sadly one of them also passed away. At the same time, this second avalanche endangered the rescuers below on the scree, two got injured while fleeing from the 2nd avalanche. Detailed description of the events can be found at the following link
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| jax15. 02. 2021 15:06:08 |
Okay, that's a bit more understandable. Thanks for the explanation.
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| j.15. 02. 2021 15:12:11 |
PPegan, thanks. Everything you listed is a fact, but there might be more.
I checked the story elsewhere in between and got confirmation there too that the fifth and sixth calmly passed by despite the police cordon at the accident site, warnings and loud protests from rescuers and went up the gully. Hoping for an official explanation of this part of the tragedy too.
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| ppegan15. 02. 2021 15:21:30 |
I haven't seen your version anywhere, right away it was said there were three ropes in the gully and those two taken by the second avalanche were above the middle rope. Don't know, maybe it was different  Anyway, it's a tragedy that shouldn't have happened, but unfortunately it did.
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| Slavonski planinar15. 02. 2021 16:56:33 |
Although I'm from the plain, I'm in love with the Alps. On Storžič in 2019 I gave up further ascent "through Žrelo" because of slippery rock. Maybe it looks easy compared to other peaks, but no mountain should be underestimated and caution is never enough. Sincere condolences to Slovenian mountaineer friends and families of the deceased.
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| bongo15. 02. 2021 17:20:46 |
@Ppegan just look at the time between first and second avalanche (10:30, 13:20), something's off. Whoever was above it during the first avalanche would have climbed out or descended in that time.
First avalanche took rope 1 and 2, rope 3 went the direction AFTER first avalanche and during rescue action. So it was as j. says.
Sequence of events actually confirmed by GRS notice on accident.
As for "what were they thinking" opinion, GRS members are usually biggest mountain lovers with really lots of mileage all around. Clear that in very good conditions (which seemed so at first) they are first or on couloirs, waterfalls or difficult routes. Like best surfers on stormy bora etc. Sadly accidents happen to them too, hope it was the last.
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| rokav15. 02. 2021 18:35:55 |
An accident can happen to anyone, that's the point of an accident. Everyone who moves enough in mountains in winter knows how it is with avalanches... all knowledge and experience, and still it fails.
Most rescues here are type “exhausted hiker, ankle sprain on west path, etc.”, because alpinists mostly get out of trouble themselves, except serious injuries or death. About such tragedies media write a lot, then every Janez from couch chimes in with opinion how mountain not crazy...
Of course no one ignores exhausted hiker at Kredarica, even if careless in tour prep.
Anyway dear Janez, if you weren't in high mountains on Saturday, then you don't know how misleading conditions were and every comment superfluous.
Condolences to families of deceased in hard times.
To conspiracy theorists of second rope.. I don't know climber/alpinist who would tick past accident and strongly doubt it happened.
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| mpp15. 02. 2021 19:52:07 |
Probably true.
In the reports, the rescuer said: participants of the second accident went past, but I don't condemn them.
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| redbull15. 02. 2021 19:58:15 |
Strongly doubt as you said that someone has such personality to go past after such accident/avalanche.
Condolences to relatives.
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| lino15. 02. 2021 20:01:15 |
Sincere condolences to relatives of the deceased in the tragic accident.
@Rokav: "To conspiracy theorists of the second rope team and more.. I don't know any climber/alpinist who would pass by an accident and I strongly doubt it happened."
Such news are probably false gossip, hearsay or yellow press.
Or maybe they were in shock due to the tragic accident and completely absent.
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| j.15. 02. 2021 20:11:44 |
Today in Dnevnik RTV SLO, Dr. Iztok Tomazin on the second avalanche:
"That could have been prevented with a grain of common sense. To climb past the accident rescue site without asking if help is needed, helicopter flying overhead, you see a huge avalanche came over the wall, and you climb on."
On top of the tragedy, it also shakes the fact that the rumors weren't speculation.
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| zavest15. 02. 2021 20:13:00 |
@j and @dk33: I hope there's no misunderstanding, my response was primarily aimed at "exwannabe" and like-minded folks. I emphasize again that to me, debate and exchange of experiences and advice in such cases is more than sensible.
I consider the title of chief couch Covid master a special honor, obviously I knocked selfie king Primož off the throne.
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| lino15. 02. 2021 20:27:00 |
@Zavest, don't worry too much. No soup is eaten as hot as it's cooked. Especially on forums, people often blurt something out that they regret later.
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| mpp15. 02. 2021 21:11:15 |
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| Climber9116. 02. 2021 05:55:36 |
@rokav
Unfortunately, I know quite a few alpinists who would do the same without question and pass by quickly. Like with other things in life, alpinism is no longer what it used to be. Only ego and "outdoing" others after the climb matters.
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| PFranci16. 02. 2021 08:06:13 |
@primoza - You'll have to postpone Viševnik. Because of the biathlon world championship, Pokljuka is in a bubble until 22.2. and the road is closed.
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| iUnknown16. 02. 2021 08:59:59 |
Couldn't one get to Viševnik from the Bohinj end? I think there's no need to park exactly at Rudno Polje.
Say, via planina Uskovnica or Planina na Šeh and then via planina Konjščica. But not then over Srenjski preval.
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| Hribolaznik16. 02. 2021 12:07:53 |
Popular Kramarca is one of the most suitable routes for beginners, i.e. those who want more than just normal approaches to summits in winter. Despite the low grade, of course don't underestimate it, as the entry jump in less snowy winters can be quite a tough nut.
... mountain guiding Štremfelj...
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