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| puma12. 06. 2012 12:34:40 |
What year of manufacture would still be acceptable for the harness and self-belay kit?
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| dprapr12. 06. 2012 12:44:40 |
If you're buying new stuff, do like with car tires - buy this year's or at least last year's batch. Every product has a shelf life and if you plan to use it for a long time, it's smart to buy the newest. So you don't have to renew the gear again in a couple of years!
As for used stuff - harness, rope, kit, climbing gear in general, I wouldn't buy from anyone I don't know well and trust.
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| Zebdi12. 06. 2012 14:32:17 |
One more thing: check the offers in other stores too (Terra Sport, Kibuba)...often you can get discounts that bring you very close to this price of 35e (for the harness) 
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| urbancek12. 06. 2012 17:41:43 |
@dprapr: I agree with you about self-belay kits too. With these things, it's the person and their subjective judgment that will use these things where it seems necessary to the person according to their subjective assessment. But to move that judgment from objective (carrying the kit everywhere or to sum up your words for walking on steeper streets) more towards subjective (where carrying is really needed), one must already have some experience in the mountains, as you say, and sometimes some training would be good too...
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| Zebdi12. 06. 2012 17:55:51 |
Unfortunately no more. Since this year PZS cooperates with Generali and not with Tilia anymore, so we can probably wipe under our nose for these 15 EUR.
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| ivona13. 08. 2012 22:26:40 |
I'm wondering if according to Tano's rule we all have to use a belay kit on every trail that has a piton or a meter of cable!?!?
Namely; you look at current conditions and see that some post photos of random hikers and then comment how irresponsible they are.
But who can judge if someone is on a certain trail for the first time, if they master the situation they're in, if they're acting irresponsibly because the child or themselves have no protection...And who can publicly post photos of people without even asking if they can photograph them?
I have a feeling that the belay kit has become a little fashion trend and that anyone who reaches the top without it is looked at strangely even if the trail has only one meter of cable. What about where we practically can't use the kit because there's almost no cable?
I'm also a mom who likes to go to the mountains with kids. I agree that safety is first. But I wouldn't like to see photos of my kids and someone lecturing about it (especially without my permission).
Best regards to all and safe in the mountains!!
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| ljubitelj gora13. 08. 2012 23:10:19 |
Life is only one, the harness and self-belay kit costs 100 euros, not worth selling yourself for these 100 euros, I don't know, better to use self-belaying where it's possible, sometimes you have to climb, elsewhere there are only pegs, on exposed places there are cables and there it's good to belay, cramp can grab you or some stone can fly or you feel sick and then the harness will save you. Lidija said it well in her message, when the guys were descending with thermoses in their pockets and accidentally if it fell it flies to the lower hikers, which means it knocks you off the path, if you have the harness it saves you and you stay a couple meters below the accident site, otherwise some 100-200 meters lower and they just find you dead, my brother told me how a stone flew into his hand, good that the story ended well.
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| ivona13. 08. 2012 23:11:54 |
L.G. - you didn't understand what I wanted to point out...
And by what now do you conclude that I don't have the kit??
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| Zebdi14. 08. 2012 08:18:11 |
ivona, you're quite right. The use of self-belay kits is (also) on this forum lately being pushed beyond all reasonable limits. I have the feeling that the loudest are those who are just at the beginning of their mountaineering path or those who came to secured high mountain paths directly from city asphalt. I don't say that use is never sensible, but to blanketly crucify everyone who doesn't clip in on every meter of cable is also a bit harsh.
It would be interesting to see some GRS analysis from which it would be evident how many fatal accidents the self-belay kit would prevent. I strongly suspect that the main reasons for accidents lie elsewhere... 
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| sh14. 08. 2012 08:43:07 |
This forum is getting on my nerves quite a bit because of discussions about self-belay kits. We hiked all demanding and even very demanding paths years ago without them and we're still alive.
Zebdi is right that it would be interesting to see what statistics say. Most accidents happen on steep slopes where the kit doesn't help you much.
Publishing others' photos bothers me too, you need their consent for that. But on the forum almost no one introduces themselves with a name anyway.
What if we rather wrote about conditions, attached nice photos and everyone enjoyed without hard feelings? Best regards
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| Janiel7414. 08. 2012 09:03:24 |
To give my opinion too. I definitely belong among new hikers. I started last May and at first I didn't even think about such paths. But collecting stamps in SPP brought me here too. For ones like me (I was also afraid of exposed depths) SVK is mandatory. Especially for exposed sections (paths) where of course there are steel cables.
Now after some mileage I can say that I do carry SVK with me, but I don't use it always anymore (don't clip in for every cable). Reasons: gained confidence, better psychophysical condition, steady step, partially overcome fear of depth... For me the main point is in the exposure of the terrain, if it is, then SVK is and will be. Second point is the length of the tour... And third, if you already know the path, it's much much easier... You need respect for every one. Because you never know what can happen. But if on a very demanding path there are no cables etc., then SVK is of course out and unnecessary. But I belong among more "cautious" hikers. One moment.. and something can go very wrong...
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| mako4414. 08. 2012 09:31:00 |
interesting reading about these self-protection kits. I returned to the mountains after many years, really in between there were some ascents here and there but I'm actually surprised that such a big fuss is made out of this. I think the thing is needed on exposed paths, say via ferratas but we hardly have those here. Practice makes master above all, as we say. Everyone should judge for themselves what they can do, or how much. Good luck!!!
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| matdra14. 08. 2012 12:19:44 |
I completely agree with Janiel74, because I use SVK in the same way. But it's interesting that on Prisank via Kopiščarjeva everyone had safety harnesses (even "the experienced ones")
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| jani bele14. 08. 2012 12:48:32 |
At GRZS we don't keep any special statistics on accidents due to non-use of self-belay kit. But I can say that there are very few such accidents (if any). Accidents mainly don't happen on path sections with pegs and cables, but where there are no such aids. Usually it's more crumbly terrain that becomes especially dangerous on descents.
Equipment that on one hand increases our safety (avalanche transceiver, self-belay kit, helmet..), on the other increases our confidence and thus subconsciously raises the threshold of risk and inattentiveness. That's exactly the cause of increase in accidents with use of self-belay kit (so far only abroad). Here I've already seen quite a few cases where being equipped with self-belay kit put its owner in danger.
About where, how and when to use the self-belay kit, it's best written in the manufacturer's instructions.
Start using the self-belay kit only after a few years of active hiking in the mountains. Only then tackle paths where its use comes into play.
Jani Bele, Commission for Information and Analysis GRZS
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| jedriličar30. 09. 2013 09:09:23 |
Between BD and Salewa, I regularly choose BD ...
And the price difference is negligible, but the carabiners on the BD kit are simpler to use, and with BD you get a climbing harness, with Salewa just a ferrata harness (not to be used for climbing - deadly dangerous). I would buy BD
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| Zebdi30. 09. 2013 09:10:10 |
Well, if you write the manufacturer and model of the mentioned kits (I can't open the links here), I'll be able to write something more easily about the specific kits.
Otherwise I would take a system with sewn webbing (i.e. system that absorbs force on fall by tearing the seams on that webbing) and with elastic arms (much more comfortable to handle). In principle all controversial kits should already be withdrawn from sale, but it's not superfluous to check the list of recalled kits before purchase
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| kranjčanka30. 09. 2013 10:02:47 |
The first is BLACK DIAMOND Climbing set Via Ferrata Easy Rider Package
Climbing self-belay set
The second is SALEWA Via Ferrata Package
Climbing self-belay set
You can see them on the Hervis website under the megacoundown section.
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| Zebdi30. 09. 2013 17:20:05 |
Of these two I would take the Black Diamond one - but only because of the harness. But there's a trick again, on the website it's listed as only XS size available. If I'm completely honest, I personally wouldn't dare order a harness over the internet without trying it on first. Same goes for the helmet. Sometimes it's worth paying a euro more and taking what really fits you.
Oh, since you wrote you have no climbing experience - we're talking about ferratas, right? Because if it's about sport climbing or alpinism, then such kits are useless...
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