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| Kekec66624. 08. 2011 18:07:20 |
Nice greeting. I also have trouble buying a self-belay kit, because I'm not experienced. I looked at that one from Salewa described above; now they have a new deal in that store from PETZL, which includes the Elios helmet, Petzl Scorpio Vertigo, Petzl Pandion harness. The price is the same, 100 eur. What do you recommend? Petzl or Salewa? They also have in Iglu Sport a Camp set on sale, reduced from 124 to 87 eur, which includes the Rock Star helmet, Camp Topaz harness, and Camp Vortex. Please, experienced ones, for advice. Thanks. Nice day ahead.
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| lynx24. 08. 2011 20:58:20 |
The Petzl combination is a good choice and has a slightly more convenient self-belay kit (less tangling, middle leg). It would be even better if it had different types of connectors, but these two have the same classic ones.
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| grsa9. 11. 2011 10:56:54 |
Hello
I'm interested how to make a self-belay kit from a sport climbing harness with cord and two carabiners. What knot to "attach" the cord to the harness and which loop on the harness?
rgds
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| lynx9. 11. 2011 11:06:56 |
You "attach" to the harness belay loop, like in climbing. If you have a brake, add it in between, otherwise you'll have a purely static system. If that's OK with you, I'd attach to the belay loop with a prusik knot, free ends with a figure eight.
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| JusAvgustin9. 11. 2011 14:28:32 |
but this "in principle" is NOT done
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| jedriličar9. 11. 2011 14:53:06 |
for cca 60 EUR can buy good certified SV kit, and I really don't get why someone for that money would improvise and possibly endanger own and maybe others' life ....
Does human life worth so little to you ????
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| puma11. 06. 2012 15:44:18 |
Hello!
I need help regarding a climbing harness and via ferrata kit. I've been thinking about buying for a while, today we got an Iglu flyer in the mailbox and they have, among other things, what I'm looking for quite discounted, so maybe I'll buy them now.
It's the OCUN QUATRO climbing harness - description: fully adjustable versatile climbing harness, 3D mesh on the inside of the waist with foam padding, adjustable at waist and legs with quick Slide-block fastening system, 4 gear loops.
And the OCUN VIA FERRATA Y-FORM via ferrata kit - description: for climbing secured mountain paths, cushions excessive jerk on fall, Y-shaped straps in one piece, metal brake for fall absorption, K-lock carabiners with safety catch on contact, making clipping very easy and safe, strap loop for easy attachment to climbing harness.
I'd need both on secured paths in Slovenia. Are they okay, does anyone have experience and use them themselves?
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| Daaam11. 06. 2012 16:01:28 |
You can't go wrong. It's totally OK, but still go to the store first and try if it fits "on your butt"  . I have the harness and it's fine for me. The price looks heavily discounted too, so I recommend it.
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| Zebdi11. 06. 2012 17:13:53 |
As Daaam said, you can't go wrong. But try the harness - especially if you plan to use it for sport climbing too. Make sure it's comfortable while walking and while hanging (sitting) in it. That's all the science
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| puma11. 06. 2012 18:15:49 |
Oh, thanks both
Does this apply to the self-belay kit too or just the harness?
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| Daaam11. 06. 2012 20:43:13 |
I only have the harness...but I think the kit is ok too.. especially since these things are made to safety standards, they can't/mustn't sell "junk" stuff
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| Zebdi11. 06. 2012 21:11:51 |
As for safety, you can be worry-free. Iglu probably won't be thrilled if you drop 5m into the via ferrata kit  , of course you can attach it to the harness and see if anything bothers you in carrying/handling it. Personally I'd choose one with sewn shock absorber that tears on fall and absorbs energy, of course that's just my preference and has nothing to do with safety. Just like having as few loose ends as possible
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| Keko11. 06. 2012 23:07:08 |
I'd also go for a via ferrata kit with sewn webbing, since I think the stitches tear more controllably on fall and the stopping force is more even than with a plate absorber kit. That's purely my personal opinion.
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| puma12. 06. 2012 08:15:41 |
Aha, then both are OK. It's best to rush to the store and try the harness to see if it fits on my butt I hope I never need to "test" the SV kit
Thanks
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| IgorZlodej12. 06. 2012 09:10:18 |
Climbing harnesses are all adjustable, of course like all gear made in sizes (S, L, XL, XXL etc.). It's logical that they're tested too, so any smart talk is totally pointless.
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| Zebdi12. 06. 2012 09:37:00 |
True, harnesses are adjustable (some more, some less) and tested, but there can be huge difference in comfort. We're not all made from the same mold and one model suits some better, others another. On via ferratas maybe it doesn't show so much, but it does a lot in sport climbing (and as far as I remember, puma was interested in climbing in the past). And maybe a story from a few years ago: buddy's gear loop tore on climbing harness under minimal load, even though it should hold 5kg. Seller did replace it for free, but imagine what would happen if the loop tore when a couple of BD butterflies were hanging on it high above ground Same with ropes - all tested, but some are way, way more durable than others. Sometimes it's smart to ask for advice and experience
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| IgorZlodej12. 06. 2012 09:53:58 |
@Zebdi, definitely agree, but shopkeepers in stores specialized in alpine gear will advise better than on the forum. So I really don't see the need to reinvent the wheel. Of course there are exceptions among shopkeepers too, but that's why there are several stores and no big deal if somewhere you don't find someone who knows how to advise properly and sensibly.
And one more thing for little money, little music. Probably those harnesses sold cheaply didn't sell and were lying around in stores, so...
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| puma12. 06. 2012 10:35:53 |
Actually, for me it's about gathering information from various sources, from reading literature on gear and its use to asking on the forum and reading info from the forum and of course also getting info in a specialized store.
Given that I'm still completely fresh in buying and using such products, every bit of info is useful so I don't rush into the first thing that comes my way or "under my nose". I'll probably use the harness in the future also for sport climbing.
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| dprapr12. 06. 2012 10:40:52 |
Igor, I completely agree with you on two things. Namely, that the products are all tested and that for little money, little music.
But I have to say that I have such a climbing harness myself and I'm quite satisfied with it. It's true though that it doesn't "hold up" as much as the previous ones. As for the retailers, I think most of them know about these things - of course only in specialized stores. But we have to watch the year of manufacture of the product - especially with ropes. Not to mention shoes that lie around in various warehouses for years and when you buy them and put them on for the first time, the glue on the seams starts to fail (I had two such cases - and not with cheap shoes).
As for via ferrata kits, it seems to me more and more that some lobbies would like to "gird" us already for walking on steeper streets. In Slovenia, most high mountain trails are such that "tangling" with a kit is more dangerous than safe. In high mountains, it only makes sense where there is great exposure and higher chance of fall (falling rocks, slip,...).
Most trails here aren't equipped for climbing like on via ferratas at all - either just pitons or too big distance between two pitons and so on.
Certainly on the new via ferratas that are appearing lately also in Slovenia, this kit is essential. And not just the kit, but also some training course.
And don't forget that for children, additional rope belaying is also essential.
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| IgorZlodej12. 06. 2012 12:22:27 |
Well written @dprapr.
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