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| zippo11. 07. 2013 10:10:01 |
You reacted exactly as I expected.
I would never pay for a stamp either. But I would never ask if I can take a photo in front of the hut because a photo can count instead of the stamp. I'd take such a question as a bit provocative.
It's right not to let yourself be ripped off at every step but don't think that we all let ourselves be ripped off. Nature didn't give survival abilities only to you.
As long as your mindset is like that, you'll run into unfriendly people at every step. We meet them too, but far from so many. How is it that in the few years since the museum stands, only to you they try to force some stamp, since the rest of us don't pick up money from the ground either, but obviously you have the problems mainly yourself
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| jozee11. 07. 2013 10:26:37 |
I completely agree with the positions stated by Becar.
It's high time to rise up against the mindset of permitted ripping off and theft, which has spread from the political state level already to the level of volunteer organizations and institutions at the base.
Precisely because for decades we haven't reacted even to such trifles and thus allowed the theft of property, our country is where it is.
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| FLEKSARCA11. 07. 2013 10:35:49 |
Zippo BRAVO, well written.
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| korl11. 07. 2013 10:36:56 |
jozee, it's not hard to agree with yourself
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| Becar11. 07. 2013 10:39:28 |
What would you even want to say now Zippo? Because I don't understand you anymore. Your post is full of contradictions. 
On one hand you say you wouldn't pay either, on the other you accuse me that I'm myself to blame for having to pay. Why? 
So your post is nothing but provocation for me, thumbs up on the post [are] support for provocateurs. That's why I don't intend to comment your post anymore.
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| urbancek11. 07. 2013 10:43:42 |
I'm wondering if the signature of the keeper in SPP mountain huts is also needed for the validity of the walked transversal? Or can you self-stamp with the REAL SPP stamp and write the date next to it? Because to me it seems that you should also sign in the booklet a little . Regards!
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| FLEKSARCA11. 07. 2013 10:46:41 |
Becar, no hard feelings, no need to emphasize that you won't comment anymore, because you can simply do it. Yeah, probably nice if you see provocateurs everywhere around you.
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| Becar11. 07. 2013 10:47:37 |
Urbancek, signature no longer needed, that rule not in booklet anymore. What you say regarding is completely right. Lp
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| Becar11. 07. 2013 10:50:56 |
@FLEKSARCA: Uuu, you really missed the mark that I see provocateurs everywhere around me. On this forum 80% are really ok people, with whom I have private talks too, you are in the other 20%.
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| VanSims11. 07. 2013 11:36:15 |
The old story repeats like with psychs, hut keepers,... Whoever wants to resist something, change something is immediately spat on, ridiculed,... such a one needs to be prevented, destroyed, nailed. Same in real life and that's why Slovenia sinks into deeper shit.
And just the malicious, destructive people are those who are licked and head f...ed at every step, who usually haven't done much for themselves in life and have ego at zero. And of course try to destroy people who live a friendlier life or want to make it friendlier. Oh no! If my cow died let others too
@zippo: I partially agree with you. Really no need to ask if you can take a picture in front of the museum cuz it's not some war-strategic or similar object.
On the other hand it's true: mindset. Yes much depends on it. But to that mindset you come in two ways: either raised in it at home, which is rare cuz parents fear the child 'exploiting' that 'mindset' first against them. The other way is you get it yourself but one necessary ingredient of the path to it is precisely using that mindset i.e. resisting such aggressors. The more you resist them and the more confident you are the more that mindset forms for you and yes, the fewer such situations. Simply people feel that with you there are no 'cherries to pick'.
@Becar: Yep, FLEKSARCA is also on my list 
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| Iuvi11. 07. 2013 14:59:59 |
In my opinion, the only proper completed transverzala is the one fully walked.
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| Becar11. 07. 2013 20:41:26 |
Hello. Today we called the Alpine Association of Slovenia and asked about this stamp in the Mountain Museum Mojstrana. At PZS we spoke with Mrs. Mia and Mrs. Zdenka. They organized a meeting on this topic with their department head and called us back. I forward the answer to all friends; provocateurs who insulted me up here, keep paying all entrance fees and fines to anyone who thinks to turn to you:
ALL SPP STAMPS MUST BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AND FREE!!! Also the stamp in the Mountain Museum Mojstrana, where PZS has already urged today.
I hope the matter bears fruit and no one else has such a shameful adventure as us. But I wonder how much money some gang has already pocketed on this account, who will return the money and who is responsible for it.
Lp
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| Becar12. 07. 2013 15:44:35 |
Today also an apology from the Slovenian Mountain Museum Mojstrana, the lady who happily charged for the stamps is on vacation. I hope and it would be right that she never returns to that workplace! Lying about a written agreement with PZS is something so low that it shouldn't be forgiven by her employer. I have concerns that someone personally pocketed that money. If there is any justice left, let the mentioned lady and/or those who ordered her be sanctioned!
What good are 2 free tickets to me now, when it's 120 km there and I have disgust to ever cross that threshold again.
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| miri12. 07. 2013 17:18:53 |
@Becar, that someone apologized to you in these times is also worth something. When you go across Prague, you can use the tickets.
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| Becar12. 07. 2013 17:27:33 |
Miri, much rather across Prague than across the threshold
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| B216. 07. 2013 20:08:52 |
Hm, interesting... Yes, I'd say the poor girl was just doing her job. The other thing is who ordered her to do it. She certainly didn't write that paper herself. We could also look at who her boss is - and what other functions she maybe holds elsewhere... The poor girl just did what was probably ordered of her in fear for her job...
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| julius16. 07. 2013 22:24:53 |
Evil tongues said that her boss is right at the top of PZS.
If that's true, the poor girl was just diligently executing the tasks assigned to her.
Truly the Lord's ways are strange.
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| headstar18. 07. 2013 14:27:41 |
Has anyone recently walked the "real" Slovenian Mountain Trail specifically on the route Nanos - Predjama - Postojna - Lonica - Pivka - Vremščica?
Based on the logbook in Slovenska vas, I conclude that for several years no one except me has been there or hikers simply don't know the location of the book and stamp at Vadnjal.
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| B218. 07. 2013 16:59:39 |
This is the "old" TZV 1 - now SPP, which was discontinued many years ago... The reason was the former JLA and Poček training ground... Of course booklets are still in circulation (stamp is at top of Sv. trojica - or Lonica) and in Slovenska vas at Vadnjal (probably still in the electrical cabinet and only few know it). Otherwise (former) TZV 1 from Predjama to Postojna is in bad condition (unmarked)... current SPP runs on Podkraj - Abram - Nanos - Razdrto - Senožeče - Vremščica...
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| headstar19. 07. 2013 08:13:47 |
B2, everything you wrote holds true as if nailed down.
Path from Nanos to Predjama is marked, along markings you can still spot the old "1". From Predjama to Postojna no markings and never were (PV 1955/11). From Postojna to Lonica some markings without "1" can be spotted, section between Lonica and Slovenska vas is well marked but routed completely elsewhere than SPT 1 went. Namely the "real" path went from crossroads on meadow half hour below Trojica straight through forest, crossed road right by training ground sign and descended on southern slopes of sharp peak (now overgrown) to gravel road and along it on NW side of Petelinjsko lake to Slovenska vas where stamp still today in el. cabinet at Vadnjal (house empty few years). From Slovenska vas over Petelinjek, Osojnice, Volč to Vremščica path well marked, only "1" hard to spot.
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