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| Zebdi4. 07. 2012 21:22:57 |
VanSims, I'd pretty much agree. Everyone should think about where it's sensible to use some piece of gear. Even a helmet isn't always needed above 2000+. It happened to me that someone on Raduha (from Loka direction) asked me if I don't value my health and don't wear a helmet. But the only danger there is that some jackdaw crashes on my head 
I don't claim for abroad, but in our mountains I haven't used a via ferrata kit yet, nor have I ever missed it. It's true I gradually increased difficulty and didn't rush right away to the most exposed and fitness-demanding path
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| MANGRT4. 07. 2012 22:14:22 |
Explanation for the hard-hearted:
never mock others who are slower, clumsy handling gear or clipping.
ask yourself how I myself started, if they fear heights but still enjoy the summit, not fast enough because health doesn't allow (friend after accident barely huffs to some "molehill"), few are those "showing off" gear.
I'm an extremist and father of five kids who expect some example from me. When in hills we all clip in even if it's easy, helmet mandatory also on rollers and bike and patience to other participants.
Just for reflection and hope I didn't offend anyone, safe travels.
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| ljubitelj gora4. 07. 2012 22:19:52 |
I too haven't needed the kit yet in Slovenia, since sometimes you have to climb up and nowhere to clip. I put on helmet before every wall. Need to grade difficulty then it goes easier, but folks rush to Triglav via Plemenice, never hiked hills before, then shock, fall, very demanding path and after two days say "never Triglav again" ....
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| urbancek5. 07. 2012 08:19:41 |
@MANGRT: Why do you clip in even if it's gentle and no chance of fall??! Always need to ask why one does something at a certain moment, not just by some rule or template...
Because if no chance to fly off somewhere, then self-belaying is nonsense... And that's the people I talk about, those using this stuff where they can give it all four and nothing bad would happen to them...
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| matdra11. 07. 2012 10:06:23 |
Now I understand better the thinking of our companies regarding work safety. If no need, no one will wear harness, although cables etc are right there so that harnesses are used too. I just hope none of you runs into a bad piton, damaged rock etc.
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| Zebdi11. 07. 2012 10:19:56 |
Hm, but I really didn't know that cables in our hills were installed so people can clip to them with via ferrata kits  Somehow I was always convinced that during path equipping cables were put for additional support where needed 
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| dprapr11. 07. 2012 10:59:14 |
Even on courses for youth mountain guides they used to teach not to "drag" on handholds and pitons, but they are only for support and balance where we feel uneasy due to depth.
Of course things change with time and sadly some things get carried over where they don't belong - all for better gear sales and at expense of some false safety.
But if talking via ferratas, clipping is no longer question but necessity, because these are unnatural paths "forced" into walls and thus very steep.
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| matdra11. 07. 2012 21:33:50 |
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| dprapr12. 07. 2012 07:41:19 |
Urbanček, some would like to introduce "Gardaland" to high mountains. And they see themselves as nature protectors!?
Good to see an analysis of mountain accidents (I think published yearly in Mountain Bulletin), where exactly shown why accidents happen. Due to not using harness and kit or something else. As I remember (maybe wrong), most common cause is slip and underestimating conditions. Too many self-taught and fewer joining clubs where at least at start get useful tips for moving in mountains. Excuse of no time not valid when it comes to our safety and kids' safety. Parent going to high mountains with child should first train himself and walk that path before.
Seems to me more and more people head to mountains with worse fitness and better gear. Used to be opposite! In past no "kits", but paths equally visited. But people used pro guiding of mountain guides or at least better fit, living more with nature thus more physical work. Difference especially with kids.
Triglav exception - always climbed by "all sorts", mainly "seasonal" hikers.
To end this rant - with "clipping" to hold everywhere needed and not, we solve nothing, rather help some alpine gear firm. Need more training and work on fitness. That depends mainly on us!
Regards to all enjoying mountains!
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| urbancek12. 07. 2012 08:31:00 |
MA dprapr tooooooooooo!
Bravo for this article too and applause from my side for this!
P.S: But given the state in the mountains there are very few of us thinking like this... 
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| Keko12. 07. 2012 08:53:43 |
dprapr, you hit the nail on the head. Self-belaying is mandatory mainly on equipped via ferratas where the cable runs from start to finish and much of the via ferrata is done on friction since there are no pegs and brackets to step on. On our hiking paths I feel safest right by the cable though, since if the terrain is harder there are plenty of pegs and brackets where you can step securely. Still, on some paths in our mountains I take a belay kit just in case. Sometimes it's handy for photos in tricky spots, since clipping into the anchor makes it safer as you're not holding on with your hands.
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| Zebdi6. 08. 2012 13:57:53 |
 Only three meters fall? It'll be interesting to follow the story's continuation...
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| Keko6. 08. 2012 14:15:51 |
With such a fall the belay kit shouldn't have snapped unless the guy had massive bad luck and the straps got simply sliced or cut during the fall or it's yet another factory defect which has been pretty common lately with belay gear.
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| Daaam6. 08. 2012 14:38:41 |
On ORF it says he borrowed the kit ...maybe that's the problem... that it was already damaged.. Otherwise yeah.. real bad luck...
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| Branee6. 08. 2012 15:05:42 |
Borrowing a kit is just like borrowing boxers from some guy..
Otherwise, guy without experience straight into the wall, no wonder he doesn't have his own kit, some folks really can't stay put.
I don't go to open sea with my rubber dinghy either cuz it's not for that..
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| Janiel746. 08. 2012 15:56:30 |
Nowhere does it say which self-belay kit (which maker) he had?
Step by step is the right motto everywhere.
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| Becar9. 08. 2012 07:17:29 |
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| Keko22. 08. 2012 23:41:53 |
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