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| Irina24. 06. 2012 01:04:11 |
Summary of the day from one of the websites. And the summer season has just begun.
Around 18:00 two climbers ascended the Bratovska route in Srebrnjak. "During descent between Srebrnjak and Zapotoški vrh one of the climbers slipped and fell into a depth of about 60 meters," they wrote at the Administration for Protection and Rescue. The climber was fatally injured in the fall.
Members of GRS Bovec and LPE helicopter with on-duty GRS team at Brnik intervened, transporting the dead climber to the valley.
Stuck in the Wall
In the early afternoon hours two mountaineers got stuck on the ascent to Slovenski steber in the Triglav north face. Mountain rescuers GRS Mojstrana and on-duty GRS team at Brnik intervened.
They found the two mountaineers in a very inaccessible place, the female mountaineer was physically exhausted and dehydrated. With the winch they lifted them into the helicopter and transported them to the valley.
Got lost off the path
Today rescuers GRS Kranjska Gora were also activated. In the area of Mala Pišnica in Kranjska Gora two Belgian mountaineers got off the path. One mountaineer got stuck in pathless terrain. Rescuers found the mountaineers and brought them to the valley without injuries.
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| pikag4. 07. 2012 08:17:04 |
I love Triglav! I love climbing! Just don't have company for these activities often. Now I'm looking forward to a trip to Triglav via Plamenice. What about using safety harnesses and helmet? Will I look silly if I wear them? Silly question but don't want to be like some housewife who has gear then hangs it all on herself 
Thanks for help and a nice mountaineering greeting!
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| Keko4. 07. 2012 08:27:31 |
No way you'll look silly. Helmet is practically mandatory, safety kit is also used more and more. Problem is there are few places over Plamenice where you can belay, like on most paths in our mountains.
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| dprapr4. 07. 2012 08:36:12 |
We "hang" gear on ourselves for our safety and it doesn't matter what others think. If you think you need gear, take it without a bad conscience. Helmet is mandatory, harness with kit in lower part above Luknja isn't too much. And don't be embarrassed if someone overtakes you without gear. Either more experienced and capable or walks "headless" in mountains.
Regards
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| urbancek4. 07. 2012 08:38:10 |
Surely you won't look silly if you have it with you. A couple of 10 meters where "iron" starts is very airy and exposed. On these couple of 10 meters self-belay kit is recommendable from my side, later almost not anymore. So it depends on experience and risk willingness.
Still rule applies, at least first time on unknown path take it with you and see how... Good luck!
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| tinejr4. 07. 2012 08:45:25 |
pikaq! You're heading to high mountains where a helmet is mandatory or highly recommended and you definitely won't look silly. In such cases don't look at the opinion of others, but first listen to your intuition, and take care of your safety so you won't regret it later because of your own feeling that with a helmet on your head and a safety kit you're a housewife and didn't take care of your safety. Good luck!
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| Zebdi4. 07. 2012 09:41:19 |
pikag, with these things don't look at others. If you feel better with self-belay kit, definitely take it. But if you love climbing and are used to moving in exposed terrain, you'll probably not use it. Helmet has in recent years somehow become a standard in high mountains 
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| VanSims4. 07. 2012 09:49:09 |
I wear helmet in hills where needed and also where I'm in doubt. Specifically, Saturday on Triglav I wore it from Studorski preval (even under Tosc!) to summit and back to Konjščica. What people think doesn't interest me at all and I don't even think about it when I put it on.
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| šodrovec4. 07. 2012 10:27:04 |
Helmet, self-belay kit and similar things don't protect us if safely stored at home in closet. Otherwise they have same weight in backpack as on hiker. So if we took them to mountains, let's use them!
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| urbancek4. 07. 2012 10:30:53 |
Helmet is also good head protection against strong sun, as layer of sweaty hair cools top of head...
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| Flora14. 07. 2012 10:40:27 |
Haha, urbanček, you keep messing things up  .
Pikaq, they've all told you already. You have only one head, one life too. Good luck.
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| Chico4. 07. 2012 11:02:25 |
Pikaq, you say you love Triglav and climbing, but at the same time ask if helmet is needed on the path through Plemenice. Seems to me you're joking a bit?
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| pikag4. 07. 2012 12:40:47 |
please, I've only climbed in Austria and Italy. On Triglav I've been only 6x. Now I'll go this path for the first time, so I'm asking. I always want all possible protection and gear anyway, but I know how we sometimes laugh at some Croats who overdo with pro gear on easy terrain and even turn back halfway.
Thanks for comments, and stay cool in this heat
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| Janez Seliškar4. 07. 2012 12:51:44 |
Given you've been to Triglav already 6 times, it means you've had helmet on head at least 6 times, and climbing harness with via ferrata set on you.
I'm sure it won't be different this time!
Any other behavior is playing with your own life!
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| Zebdi4. 07. 2012 13:04:21 |
Hehe, with such "development" in about 5 years mandatory gear for Triglav will include double rope, 5-10 Jesenice pitons, 3 profile pitons, nuts set, pegs, and maybe snow anchor too (if by chance some snow falls up there)
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| urbancek4. 07. 2012 13:14:57 |
Bravo Zebdi for this comment... I already wrote last time that our mountaineering is going more and more into
Not to mention how many people clip in with via ferrata set just because they bought it, have it and want to use it. Then they see some poorly placed cable on e.g. ridiculously flat, not exposed terrain. And they'll happily clip in on easy terrain, waste energy, cause jams etc. (because they read or someone told them to clip everywhere ).
A bit more logical judgment and common sense in mountains wouldn't hurt...
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| potepinka4. 07. 2012 13:58:28 |
urbancek - sorry, but your comment is exactly the kind pikag wants to avoid (in real life).
That they'll waste energy clipping and cause jams... isn't clipping on easy terrain good practice so you know how when you reach difficult terrain? The more you practice, the sooner you master it. Obviously we should practice at home in the basement so no one sees we don't know and we don't bother anyone, right?
Seems to me they learn ice axe arrest in winter conditions on quite steep slope (and abyss at the end), right Now I know why everyone looked at me strangely when I went to test snowshoe walking on fairly crowded gentler path, obviously you don't do that on easy terrain.
Anyway, if someone carries more gear, they carry the weight, about helmet use (and more) there's already plenty written here.
Sorry, but these two posts seem exactly the kind of reactions we get on paths those who "dream a bit on the path and hinder the more capable, faster, ...".
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| urbancek4. 07. 2012 15:05:06 |
@potepinka: It was aimed at those already skilled in using the set, but still do what I wrote... Hand on heart, using via ferrata set isn't some great science that one needs ages to learn...
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| Zebdi4. 07. 2012 20:06:41 |
@potepinka, yes, but pikag herself laughs sometimes at "some Croats who overdo with pro gear on easy terrain and turn back halfway".
Otherwise urbancek nicely wrote that sometimes a bit more logical judgment in gear choice would be welcome. No problem if someone dreams on path or uses all possible gear, problem is when they start selling it as the only acceptable. Slowly it will be sin to go our hills without via ferrata set, even though marked paths are safely passable normally without it. What's next level? What I wrote few posts up? Double rope, belay at 40m and let's go ours? Intermediate protection at 2m so falls not too long?
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| VanSims4. 07. 2012 21:03:17 |
Regarding helmet I hope we're clear it's highly recommended always and everywhere above about 1500-2000m, on lower paths on those rated difficult or higher and also on paths each assesses as 'helmet needed'.
Regarding self-belay, I didn't have it for Triglav. Here each by own sense. On harder via ferratas abroad almost can't without, rest again by individual judgment. Whoever wants to clip every anchor, let them. Still better than not clipping where it would be smart. If you're in such hurry, bypass or climb around. If you can't, think if it wouldn't be smart for you to use self-belay there too.
When I went to Brana via Okrešelj one was clipping cables all the way to Kamniško sedlo. I bypassed her and bye.
And one more: no gear is mandatory. But enough if one moment comes when you realize it would be needed. There might not be another.
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