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| ljubitelj gora22. 07. 2013 09:18:15 |
Best to have someone with you who knows the paths, the mountains.
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| IgorZlodej22. 07. 2013 17:48:42 |
Since the hiking and mountaineering season is at its peak, and helicopter rescue interventions are daily, some recommendations won't hurt:
http://www.grzs.si/koristno.php?pid=10
otherwise: proper preparation for the tour, familiarization with the path, mountain, weather. It is tragic and frightening that someone goes somewhere and only later finds out where they were, and it happens. In case of an accident, they would say a completely different place, rescuers would waste precious time before finding them, if not too late. On hot days like these, we set out early so that the tour ends by noon or early afternoon, thus avoiding severe heat, mists that cover the mountains or possible storms. Take enough fluids to avoid exhaustion and dehydration. Choose a goal suitable to your fitness and experience. It is mistaken to think that the helmet protects only from falling rocks; it is needed on all secured paths, pathless terrain and alpine climbing routes. The helmet must be fitted properly; as a cap on the head, it won't help much. If our goal is high or far, divide the route into two days; there are plenty of bivouacs and huts. Snowfields are still there and will persist at least until mid-August in some places; those without proper gear should shift their goals to dry conditions. Choose shady paths. Exposed skin loses fluid faster, so protect ourselves appropriately, use sunscreen cream; sunburns in the mountains can be very painful. Let the path and mountain summit be a pleasure, not suffering or even leading to an accident.
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| VanSims22. 07. 2013 18:15:56 |
>>sunburns in mountains can be very painful
True, I have experience! It burned my face because I didn't apply cream. It burned like hell for three days. First night couldn't sleep, second barely. After three days it eased so it wasn't painful anymore and gradually got better.
True though, that was when I didn't hike regularly, now with more tanned skin maybe consequences not so bad, anyway it was lesson and since then no tour over 2000 without cream.
As for factors: supposedly higher the factor more mercury, which we know is poison absorbed into skin. I use low factor but even occasionally I used regular Soleo and it was fine. But of course UV rays can penetrate skin even if not burning.
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| Misantrof22. 07. 2013 18:50:36 |
And now we think to descend to the ultimate rudiment and discuss completely obvious things. After all, this is a fairly specific forum and visitors should realize that not all things in life are black-and-white and that there are multiple types of answers to certain questions. Still I claim that certain questions could easily be avoided if individuals at least tried a bit and didn't expect everything served on a plate.
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| FLEKSARCA22. 07. 2013 20:06:07 |
Rudiment, great expression, yes some here chase to the mentioned (sympathetically) rudiment, some go to other spheres, stratospheres or even further  , you'll see  .
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| bagi22. 07. 2013 20:09:28 |
Despite all discussions and warnings .... this photo is from last week taken just before summit ascent to Triglav. Proud owner of these sandals is German. To my question on footwear suitability he said nowhere saw that Triglav is demanding mountain.
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| ljubitelj gora22. 07. 2013 22:20:37 |
24 hours:
In the southwest wall of Grintovec, a 41-year-old hiker was careless while walking and injured herself, in the north wall of Šita, a 35-year-old alpinist fell while climbing. Both were seriously injured.
PU Kranj says the mountain helicopter rescue team with a mountain police unit officer handled two urgent cases today.
The team had its first intervention already at 8 a.m., when it received a report that a hiker was seriously injured in the southwest wall of Grintovec. The helicopter rescue team therefore immediately flew to the scene of the accident and provided first aid to the 41-year-old hiker from the Ljubljana area. The mountain police unit officer gathered initial reports on site and found that the hiker had seriously injured her leg due to carelessness.
The second time they had to intervene around 11 a.m. In the north wall of Šita
in the Julian Alps, the team came to the aid of a 35-year-old alpinist from the Ptuj area, who fell while climbing in a rope team and was also seriously physically injured.
Police advise everyone who will head to the mountains in the coming days to be extremely cautious and to be aware that mountains, besides pleasant experiences, also hide a range of dangers and unpredictable situations that can cause an accident.
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| pohodnik3822. 07. 2013 22:35:30 |
Just like those today who rushed up Mrzla gora (foreigners), good thing they gave up in time and realized that path is not for them so I could complete the tour. Everything looked like it could happen anytime.... Probably didn't know it's such a demanding path so they just rushed up with hiking poles.
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| VanSims23. 07. 2013 09:17:03 |
Regarding @pohodnik38's post:
Here we should also scold a bit those who mark the paths. Many paths are not properly marked for difficulty, those that are marked with triangles and exclamation marks say nothing to someone who is not a regular in the mountains (and most are like that) and also to foreigners (they don't have such markings). Only on rare ones it says in words that the path is 'demanding' or 'very demanding', and even then many think it's just physically demanding, a bit more walking or a bit steeper... In short, completely inappropriate.
In Austria, more demanding paths are marked with various notices that tell more about the path. At least it says the path is only for experienced ('Nur für Geübte'), if it says 'Klettersteig' you know what you're in for. On more demanding paths, there are repeated warnings that careful stepping is required ('Trittsicherheit') and/or no fear of heights ('Schwindelfreiheit'). If there's a more demanding path in an area without very high mountains, it says e.g. the path has 'Alpincharacter'.
We also lack information on the character of downhill paths, which is even more important because we know downhill on such paths is harder and many people go up one and down another. Such an example is the path over Psica to Storžič. Below it even says 'very demanding' which is exaggeration but OK, above nothing is written. But downhill that path is really 'very demanding', and moreover in neither direction is it at all for the vertiginous.
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| lynx23. 07. 2013 10:51:24 |
People will ignore signs, even if it says up there "very demanding path", "only for experienced"/"solo per excursionisti experti", "careful step" or something even less concrete. Based on what I've seen on the forum, I'd rather say such things encourage more visits than deter people (ego).
I don't know why we're beating around the bush. A tour just requires preparation.
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| IgorZlodej23. 07. 2013 17:14:18 |
@lynx wrote: "I don't know why we're beating around the bush. A tour just requires preparation".
That's it and any philosophizing is completely unnecessary, if you know where you're going, what to expect, what equipment is needed, then half the tour is already done. And if you take too much, it's no disaster. They used to say: "no headache from excess".
As for the forum. I would never rely on data from an anonymous reporter who only occasionally goes to the mountains. I'm not saying they won't provide objective info, but there are very few like that.
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| andrej.bg23. 07. 2013 19:20:21 |
Please advise, since the protections are mostly iron, what gloves would be suitable in summer time both for hand protection and for safer grip?
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| jedriličar23. 07. 2013 19:38:22 |
My experience - I use regular sailing leather gloves, from 100 kn (about 15 EUR) and they last me about 2 seasons, because they tear on the palms. Advantage - they don't slip even when wet, and when dry they hold great. These various ferrata gloves you can buy in stores (kevlar, cordura and similar materials) slip too much when dry, and when wet they are literally unusable ...
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| VanSims23. 07. 2013 20:39:50 |
@lynx: the smart ones will give up, let's help at least them. But those who play tough guys, who build their ego and who consciously go into danger despite such warnings, knowing they might not be up to the path - well, those can't be helped and then they are really to blame for the accident themselves.
@Igor: I agree that one must prepare for the path but some just don't and those will unfortunately always exist. And here and there someone accidentally ends up on such a path.
I think that some additional warning sign at the start of the path would save many injuries or even lives. It could also save you mountain rescuers many rescues. Such signs could be at least on really popular paths e.g. Triglav and also on paths where tourist crowds converge e.g. Soča spring, Pekel near Borovnica (an accident just happened there),...
Another option used abroad and suitable for the hardest paths is simply to hide them. So no signs to them, starts hidden, at the beginning a bit uninsured path to scare the inexperienced a bit, markings different from standard,... Whoever knows what they came for or inquired about the path somewhere will find them and know how it is.
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| FLEKSARCA23. 07. 2013 20:52:35 |
Andrej.bg, I myself use thin leather work gloves, available in any well-stocked store for protective equipment. Little money, lots of fun.
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