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| husky9. 02. 2010 08:31:12 |
Yesterday there were really mild conditions on Matajur. So very mild that even our 7-month-old prodigy could afford a safe ski touring descent...
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| Lj9. 02. 2010 08:44:32 |
New generation of ski tourers coming!
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| MarkoK9. 02. 2010 09:30:28 |
Excellent afternoon hike to Matajur from Avsa village. Weather wonderful, views of course, quite a lot of snow, but the path is well trodden. Pretty windy at the top, winter idyll. Descent the same path in night hours. Starry and fantastically beautiful.
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| Gorazd G9. 02. 2010 14:07:27 |
Husky, congratulations. Now I'm also reassured that we are not (in the eyes of many) the only "irresponsible parents" who go to the mountains with a child born last June.
> Gorazd G: "from Montemaggiore" Where is that? 
>ksena: that's the village Matajur - Italian name for that village and hill.
I know, ksena, I know that it's the village Matajur. I just reacted cynically to the "innovative" derivations of Italian names for places where the Slovenian word is still very much alive. Even the Italians themselves are aware of this and have nicely written the Slovenian names of villages, mountains, rivers, streams... on the map of this area. What's the use if we Slovenes ourselves invent incredible derivations of Italian names because we supposedly can't remember our own names. 
"Even the Italian names of these places are special and some are hard to remember," I read on the previous page when defending against a completely justified comment: "Ložac, Matajur.... If you don't believe these names still exist, stop sometime at the Dom na Matajure and listen to the speech of young caretakers from the Nadiška valleys."
Yesterday I read: "We were up there again from Montemaggiore ..." I seriously wonder how many times a Slovenian still has to go to Matajur to remember or copy from the map (Slovenian or ITALIAN) (if he can't remember), how Montemaggiore is called in Slovenian.
Also a photo of the Italian Tabacco map 1:25 000, no. 41 and some reading about Matajur (if anyone wants to read) from under my fingers.
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/44681/
No hard feelings. Maybe it's not too late yet...
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| sabina.79. 02. 2010 20:04:31 |
Thanks Ksena, you're absolutely right. I naively wrote Montemaggiore, didn't even think of the Slovenian name. I wrote what's on the sign. Every time I write on Slovenian forums I fall into these polemics. I don't think it's anything so terrible to use the Italian name for an Italian village where border Slovenians also live. I'm a pure Slovenian myself, but live in Italy, I master and respect both languages. The Nadiža Slovenians have their bilingual school, so I don't know why they should be ashamed. We're not living anymore in times when we were dirty Yugichi. Now more and more Italians enroll their children in Slovenian schools.... Let's grow out of this endangered feeling of losing identity a bit.
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| husky10. 02. 2010 08:14:06 |
Sabina,
nobody has anything against Italians and Italian names. The problem with "Montemaggore" is that it's an artificial concoction that never really caught on even with Italians. Up on Matajur for decades nobody calls it Montemaggiore anymore, for the village I'm not sure - maybe weekenders still insist, but for locals it's clear and it's right that visitors respect that too.
Otherwise, Italian cartographers deserve praise for strictly listing Slovenian names on newer maps and even in Slovenian script (diacritics).
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| sabina.710. 02. 2010 18:34:49 |
Ok, but I don't know if Italians don't call the village that way. Davide is Italian, but calls the hill Matajur, the village Montemaggiore. Probably that applies to more frequent visitors. You know what's funny? That we met on Sunday because I asked you about your dog.... and we spoke Italian!!!!! PARADOX! Enough of this... I understood!
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| sabina.714. 03. 2010 18:22:36 |
Again we were in these parts, always from Matajur village....Now you can drive almost to the top with the car. Then immediately on skis and ideal conditions today for both walking and skiing. Slovenian hut was open, Italian one not.
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| pier15. 03. 2010 09:24:05 |
I was also on Matajur on Saturday but starting from Jerep village. There's still some snow on the initial part but visibly melting with rising temperature. But I want to warn that from the exit of the forest (at the alpine pastures) all the way to the Slovenian hut the snow is still frozen and crampons are not at all superfluous. I returned around 14 o'clock and it started snowing.
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| pula8. 04. 2010 13:50:41 |
Maybe someone knows what the current conditions are on the path from Avsa? How much snow is there? We would go up on Sunday.
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| ben58. 04. 2010 18:33:53 |
From Avsa to Mrzli vrh near Idrska planina there's almost no snow left (on Friday at the top still cca 25cm), further to Matajur there's probably still about 20cm, but due to high daytime temperatures it's visibly melting. Lp
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| Sharpedge12. 04. 2010 13:25:44 |
There's still quite a bit more than 20 cm of snow and if a warm wind comes the hard crust starts collapsing and soon you can sink up to your hip.
We experienced that on 7.4; it was quite fun but tiring Our starting point was Svino
Snow line starts at Svinska pl.
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| pier12. 04. 2010 14:14:44 |
Yesterday we also started from Svino and I must warn that due to low temperatures the snow was frozen. Just above Svinska planina it was still quite dangerous for slipping. Sharpedge, now I know whose footprints were on the trail. Regards.
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| aonuk125. 04. 2010 18:40:17 |
What kind of footwear is that?
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| igorf28. 04. 2010 21:14:10 |
From Avša we went another couple of 100m along the narrow asphalt road, where on the right we notice a sign for Matajur "STARA POT". The path is just sufficiently marked and trodden and very nice. It takes us directly to Srednji vrh. From there via Mrzli vrh we continued to the forest road, along it to the path junction, where we continued left along the southern slopes of Matajur to Dom na Matajuru. From there to the summit and left down to Idrska planina and further along the "classic" path to Avša. Very nice circular route, recommend in the described direction.
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