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Alpina Žiri Shoes

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gregašpega28. 07. 2016 18:20:10
And do you use Lhotse all year or do you use it more as a winter or transitional boot? It bothered me, namely, its hardness; or I doubted its usability and comfort for summer walking.

Today I checked Alpina, Kibuba and Intersport where they have Planikin shoes. The saleswoman at Alpina, I felt a bit sorry for, especially since I tried almost everything she had, but nothing stood right on the foot, there was no real feel. In Kibuba they had Kayland Titan model, it fit almost like a glove, but in the end I decided for Planikin Jalovec. Like a glove for my foot, and it's Slovenian too.=) Let's say a classic boot for summer and a bit in winter, when there'll be money, I'll buy more specialized shoes (Lhotse will surely be next).
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M&P28. 07. 2016 20:44:18
@Špik81
Given that you're talking about a shoe that costs 250€ (full price) I wouldn't take it so lightly that the protective rubber peels off even if it's "just" protective rubber. If the shoe is still under warranty I'd take it back to the store and let them fix it.
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Branee29. 07. 2016 00:59:06
@svetilnik
I got them for rd.. My experiences are: good sole, upper boot a bit less (becomes loose and then poor ankle support). For someone who watches what they do and hikes averagely in mountains will have them long. I destroyed them in good 50 tours or half year. True that I never spare shoes. But can say for 100e more you get a class better Gojzar which despite my hiking holds double that period of Alpina's Diablo. Anyway average mountaineer will be satisfied with the shoe.
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Trobec29. 07. 2016 08:40:18
After 50 tours destroyed? I think I haven't destroyed any before 100 tours, and they are lower price class. And often demanding terrain, also scree. True though, that I clean them several times a year and grease with fat.
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Branee29. 07. 2016 10:10:52
Trobec big difference is in terrain configuration you hike in most likely. You rarely meet me on groomed marked paths. In walls various routes III to IV- always in Gojzars and that eats Gojzar.. I don't grease them nor change soles.
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Trobec29. 07. 2016 10:26:46
Well, if you don't grease them, they of course wear out much sooner. Grease costs around 10€, with that amount you comfortably grease them 10-15 times, it takes you (if thorough - untie all laces and grease the tongue too) max 10 min. If quick then 2 min. And if lifespan increases by 50% because of that (and I'm sure the difference is bigger), it obviously pays off.
If the problem is the sole wears out too fast, it can be changed much cheaper than a new gojzar.
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rajko002829. 07. 2016 15:54:54
Trobec - which grease do you use? thx in advance.
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miri29. 07. 2016 18:22:51
Try this. Fama Vipava
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Trobec29. 07. 2016 18:49:58
I think it's "nilfet" or something like that. In a green box. Seems fine to me.

Otherwise Bojan Pollak (whoever doesn't know him, elder of Slovenian alpinism and guiding) apparently recommends beef tallow, which you cut into strips, put on the shoes, then put them on the stove (or somewhere warm).
I haven't heard him personally though, but a couple of buddies who he had on guiding courses said that.
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Trobec25. 08. 2016 00:07:17
Alpina has significantly increased discounts for PD members. Especially for "regular" members there's a substantial difference from before.

http://pzs.si/novice.php?pid=11188
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Matej_K.25. 08. 2016 13:18:57
Alpina has a nonstop 30% discount for everyone, so the actual discount with PZS card is only 5% or what?
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Trobec25. 08. 2016 14:22:38
Yes, they have sales quite often. Sometimes even 40 and 50%. But this way at least you know the discount is always there; previously you still had to watch out not to go shopping just on the day without a sale mežikanje
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zippo25. 08. 2016 15:01:37
One also needs to consider that discounts don't add up, so if something is already on sale there's no point in carrying the card with you
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dvojcica14. 12. 2016 07:44:40
Hello! I would tell my own experience about the Alpina firm and their products - shoes: abnormally hard, easily get soaked, slip on every surface regardless of the season, whether dry or wet. Rubber - sole is hard and doesn't grip the ground. I completely agree with commenter "radagemvhribe": upper part of shoe is indestructible, sole after all toil and caution not to slip, stolcem in one season (from spring to winter). Sole change 40€. For that money I have two other new ones, responsive to need, soft and grip surface, also when frozen. Alpina shoes price is insanely overpaid, their discounts just "sand in eyes". Never again to Alpina, they can overshadow them, need reliable shoe and unfortunately not trash. Unfortunately that's my experience and conclusion. Good luck!



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ana14. 12. 2016 09:38:23
Nice, dvojcica, you told your experience.

I also have Alpina, and it suits me fine. Shame you didn't specify the model, as there are loads in different price ranges.

What interests me most is what two pairs of new ones that hold on frozen ground you get for just over 40€ and especially where?
I've long wanted to buy something with a sole that's top-notch, not that this one wears out if I go to Šmarna a few times, so before the shoes are even properly broken in. Soles also seem always thinner and in the end it really looks like worn-out tires and then have to change the whole car.... just so business runs.
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Sorok14. 12. 2016 09:47:23
And my opinion: I have really old Alpina shoes bought at TUŠ "on stars" - with them over 70 times on two-thousanders, lower hikes not mentioning - summer and winter. A year ago I had the sole changed and they're still going.
Then I bought the praised "Lhotse", exactly as @dvojčica described, so quite uncomfortable. I don't want to advertise but... I discovered "Planika" and I like them very, very much. Just casually: Planika also makes for Meindlzavijanje z očmi
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hikingman14. 12. 2016 11:39:40
Dvojčica, your statement – I don't know if it holds water – because most Alpina shoes have Vibram soles.
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Becar14. 12. 2016 13:09:16
I too can't agree with @dvojčica. With Tibet I walked the entire SPP and extended SPP, can easily put them on now and go. Mine with Nepal Lady same path. Slip on every surface dry? Hellooo? Probably joking. On frozen just forget any shoe won't slip.
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dvojcica14. 12. 2016 23:30:48
Hi! I believe there are lots of models, I have four pairs, don't know the name of any. Probably I should have asked in the shop at purchase. Well, 40€, or 20€ per pair I bought about a month and a half ago at Hofer. Not pretty not expensive, I buy to try others. I must tell you, I don't wear the others anymore. Now, when it's frozen it doesn't slip, how is that possible, I don't know, I'm amazed. Not even much serrated. Or is the rubber different, softer, I don't know. I walk every day for several hours without any special attention. I walk on water, not much over streams, neither wet nor damp. I'm also wondering how long they will last? Aja also this: on shady path I came to a patch of ice and deliberately stepped on it to see what happens. Nothing, stable. Planika I also like, I have some, but they have worn sole, they were fine. Problem is (in confidence) you have to send them yourself for sole replacement. In Alpina they arrange it themselves, that's why buy there. Now I'll buy these cheap ones, when something breaks I just throw them away. Vibram sole!! I don't feel any change. What function it has I don't know. I think layman's terms, it's cushioning. They slip on every surface, on sand, rock even smooth, really dangerous, I'm not kidding about serious things. I know how it is if you fall.
That's it, I hope I've answered everyone. Regards
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grega_z_brega14. 12. 2016 23:34:08
dvojčica you are a trolljezikvelik nasmeh
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