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| ms_primoz19. 08. 2015 19:19:29 |
Yeah, you don't need a helmet until something falls on your head or you hit your head (say, against the ground on a fall or slip...). Because in Kranjska koča it came in handy to all of us. We played soccer. Otherwise, our leg hurt a bit from such a HEAVY helmet. But thanks anyway. It was fun to pass it around 
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| darinka419. 08. 2015 20:17:23 |
Just make sure you don't burn up with envy......
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| Trobec19. 08. 2015 21:34:23 |
hehe Primož... I fully agree with what's written. Otherwise even in car you don't need belt, let alone airbags... until you crash.
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| puma19. 08. 2015 21:43:11 |
ms primoz has, albeit sarcastically, said the pure truth. Everyone has only their own head
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| darinka424. 08. 2015 12:20:09 |
I'd add something more. For three days I walked the Kamnik Alps mostly alone. I met, I can say, only good people, not one bad. Also in both huts where I slept they were friendly. Let me also say that no one joked with my helmet, maybe that ms primoz had such dreams. Don't know, but it wasn't the first time, nor the last, no help for him.
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| mailman24. 08. 2015 12:27:48 |
Darinka, not so rough, he was just kidding! Otherwise I climbed to Mrzla gora with a helmet in my backpack (and of the six there at the time on top I was one of four!!!)... no help for me
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| ms_primoz24. 08. 2015 12:34:43 |
darinka4 - emphasis was on HEAVY helmet. You go somewhere to a mountain and leave helmet at hut. But to the hut it was so crumbly, dangerous.... from hut onwards, highway? That's it, nothing else Darinka. Think about your actions and not my words. My parents climbed whole transverzala without helmet, without self-protection... then still "no" helmets, SVK of course not. But today they use both. Because 15 years ago there weren't nearly so many hikers as today. Mountains weren't so crumbly or full of scree. Often you secure yourself on path because of others above. Darinka, safe step further. Yeah, if we meet sometime, I believe we'll both be in good mood.
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| Skovik24. 08. 2015 13:43:30 |
I'll never understand people who walk in the mountains without a helmet. Even less those who have a helmet with them, on the backpack, but don't put it on their head...
Two years ago I'd say maybe someone is exaggerating, but since I got a fist-sized stone in my hand on the path from the hut at Kofce to Veliki vrh... Easy marked path, grass up and down, not steep, really a place where I wouldn't expect it ever... 20-30 cm higher and I'd get it in the head. Because of grass I didn't hear the stone until it bounced off the ground the last time.
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| mailman24. 08. 2015 14:55:54 |
Nobody forces you to understand them!!! No need either.
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| SamoK24. 08. 2015 15:08:32 |
This obsession with helmet has exceeded all limits. People who go to high mountains only every now and then nowadays feel that helmet gives them some safety, instead of first learning for years and years to walk safely in mountains. I've seen a tourist going to Grintovec over the roof with helmet and harness! 99% safety is experience and smarts. Who hikes a lot in mountains knows exactly when helmet is needed, when not. Mostly not!
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| Skovik24. 08. 2015 16:30:40 |
@SamoK - What's brains and experience worth if a stone flies at you? Fully agree helmet doesn't give 100% safety, but safety harness doesn't either, yet you probably buckle up anyway, just in case.
I'll stop, not the topic. Just was 2 days in mountains, stones flew past us 3x in one morning, most folks saw it without helmet and still pushed on. And this debate was right here so couldn't stay quiet. And yes, one round of stones was such no gear would help if it hit you.
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| SamoK24. 08. 2015 16:35:13 |
Whoever has enough experience knows well where and when stones fly, believe me.
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| redbull24. 08. 2015 17:35:52 |
What's funny here I really don't know
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| viharnik24. 08. 2015 17:40:11 |
If a chamois sends a bunch of stones on your head, you can be even such a šlogar, nothing helps you. In Peski at Žmavčarji, stones collapsed from the wall of Turska gora without hikers' help, probably from horned locals not seen on screes this time.
We had helmets on our heads on the ascent to Turska gora and on the descent all the way to Konca.
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| lepenatka24. 08. 2015 17:47:07 |
The most horrible is walking on crumbly terrain, below bareheaded hikers. Every responsible mountaineer must try even harder to walk so that nothing flies to "that smart one" below on the head.
Helmets aren't iron, just a few 100 g.
Me too from times when there were none. But much less visits in mountains.
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| SamoK24. 08. 2015 17:48:17 |
>>What's the point of brains and experience if a rock flies at you?
In all decades in the high mountains, rocks have hit my head several times (covered with helmet), only once did a flying rock hit me so hard that I couldn't continue up the wall, it hit my hand. I had a helmet. Otherwise I rarely put it on normal routes. And (@Pankrt) yes, you can definitely know where and when rocks fall if you have enough experience!
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| SamoK24. 08. 2015 17:51:12 |
In the good old days everyone who dislodged a stone despite caution and experience loudly warned those below. Seems to me this culture has given way to modern gear obsession.
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| dprapr24. 08. 2015 17:51:17 |
Predicting where stones will fly down and where not is really not hard if you know the area.
Specifically on the ridge path of Mrzla gora there's very little chance of getting hit by a stone on the head. Actually only one section is like that. And if you wait a bit there to be alone, which usually isn't a problem, then...
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