Žakelj's bivouac on "Stebrasta skala" Mežakla
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| sherpa2. 11. 2010 17:58:46 |
heinz, instead of attacking and provoking those who think differently (and keep insulting us as slovenceljni and slovenčki), make a little effort, click on aljazek's profile and you'll find his name, surname, where he's from, what he does, what interests him etc etc.
To me he's a totally cool guy who thinks smartly and is much more knowledgeable in alpinism than most on this forum. And he makes very nice pictures too.
Aljazek, keep it up! 
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 18:04:17 |
You call yourselves slovenčki and slovenceljni, I see you as Slovenes!
you sherpa, anyway you claim you're neither Slovenian, nor slovencelj nor slovenček, but a Himalayan from Tibet! At least that's how you introduced yourself here in the topic: introduce yourself - where are you from.
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| aljazek2. 11. 2010 18:15:28 |
I find it interesting that you talk about growing up as a path with an end. Growing up and the directly related personal growth is a process that lasts a whole life, only the stages that people reach are different. All documents, language and birthplace show that I am Slovenian, but I don't feel belonging to a certain nation, more to the environment.
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 18:17:08 |
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 18:23:08 |
sherpa's comment on the topic: Where do you come from reads:
If you really want to know I'm (as my name says) home under the Himalaya. I've been doing mountaineering since birth, since I was born higher than you even have high mountains in SLO. I've climbed six eight-thousanders already with experienced European alpinists; also Slovenians. I have lots of gear, just no oxygen masks. Those are for softies from Europe.
check yourselves if you don't believe!!
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| sherpa2. 11. 2010 18:31:23 |
Eh, Heinz, you really blow it and you obviously have lots of time for searching too. And you obviously don't understand cynicism.
Not my answer to the eternal questioner, nor the invitation to an excursion to the bivouac that's beautiful like a pigsty. Does that seem like a serious invitation to you? Definitely not to me.
And one more thing. When, thanks to your description, more and more people pilgrimage to the "pigsty", Lojz will surely be very grateful to you for it. I hope you understand the cynicism this time.
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 18:41:08 |
Lojz surely wants visits. You who think Žakelj is just an ordinary egoist like city fools are mistaken! That's you, even though now (and actually all the time) you're playing some cynicism that you think is "COOL".. and want to prove that you're a completely selfless understander - horribly (still) too smart boy..
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| jprim2. 11. 2010 18:54:16 |
Sherpa, quickly count how many posts you already have now????
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| velesa2. 11. 2010 19:09:49 |
Unfortunately, one would need to understand many other things, not just cynicism. I myself expect reality from forumers. But I notice that there are very few such.
Heinz, when I'm in those parts after the end of winter, I'll announce myself to you without cynicism for a trip to the bivouac!
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 19:21:45 |
Yes, really! There shouldn't be cynicism here! Or at least as little as possible! We all sometimes get entangled in some topic and throw in something cynical too, but that shouldn't be the practice. For some it is. And those surely aren't the real mountaineers, or they're still absolutely immature for a serious debate.. But what can you do? That's this "democracy" - everyone chatters according to their own opinion whatever they please.. without knowing whom and where they're swinging at all.
Otherwise, velesa.. I'm looking forward to your announcement for the trip to the bivouac!
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| aljazek2. 11. 2010 19:26:07 |
...but they are still absolutely immature for a serious debate...
Given that in the middle of an argued discussion about the "bivouac", you start teasing me about the username, maturity and origin, I too wonder how mature you are.
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| prokofjev2. 11. 2010 19:30:56 |
Heinz, maybe you're already mature enough to go pitch your bivouac somewhere under Stol. When it's done, they'll come to film it for CNN
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| JusAvgustin2. 11. 2010 19:38:31 |
how pathetic and pitiful you are with this discussion, let's rather talk about where to put WC paper in mountains in winter... wtf?
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| bagi2. 11. 2010 19:42:31 |
I agree with the geologist. About time the weather improves
Regards Bagi
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 19:47:58 |
prokofjev, if Lojz had something at Betonska bajta, believe me many would gladly bivouac there sometime.. but as it is it's just as it is,.. you know what I mean ?? I believe you do!
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| ploha2. 11. 2010 20:11:49 |
cultured, tolerant, calm, lovers of mountains, nature.... Where already?
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| klm2. 11. 2010 20:12:30 |
Geolog79, you started a good topic, namely I myself wondered where to put the WC paper in the mountains in the time approaching us. Forum folks, have you thought about it?
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| Hribovc882. 11. 2010 20:40:03 |
Ufff, some really haven't grown up to their years up here, aljažek you have a super website and I really like your thinking, many an older dude could model after you
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| viharnik2. 11. 2010 21:08:25 |
Alojz is a special man whom perhaps due to my own spiritual insight I understand better myself.
The bivouac on Stebrasta skala is a unique fortunate creation (expression of one's own spiritualized spirit) with cross and colors depicting the creation of nature we live in.
It took countless time, work and right ideas for the bivouac to emerge. Since I'm finishing my winter garden too, created solely on my idea, all other materials (alum. profiles, wood, thermal polycarbonate glazing, reinforcing construction, disassemblability) I bought in stores piece by piece, wooden panels I sawed and sanded myself. It all looks rather "small" (personal hut) for the time spent, but all made specifically practical from scratch.
That's why I highly value Alojz Žakelj for his construction achievement of the bivouac and the idea itself. More skeptical though about placing such feats in nature where they don't fit, as building similar bivouacs would pollute and distort the natural look of a landscape.
Bivouacs should stay where legally set by the environmental ministry and PZS and within numerical needs for a certain range as shelter for mountain lovers.
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