Žakelj's bivouac on "Stebrasta skala" Mežakla
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 16:23:09 |
sherpa, aren't you also a new/old candidate for creating commotion on the forum? With a new name?
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| sherpa2. 11. 2010 16:29:28 |
Possible too, if you think so. I've already written 28 posts, so I'm not completely new either. 
You don't give in on your positions either. You'll defend this ugliness to your last breath. But you don't seem to hear opposing arguments...
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| jprim2. 11. 2010 16:37:56 |
Come on Sherpa, write something smart, because just calling us women flirts tells me a lot about you.
And I feel that you really simply don't understand some things and can't connect them. Where is the culture ... that's already another chapter for you.
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| klm2. 11. 2010 16:42:21 |
Katica gave VERY WEAK ARGUMENTS. Lojze is a conventional person, a good psychoanalyst would give a better argued opinion about him, but because of that you really can't be offensive. Besides, the Jesenice people don't make alliances with him nor Heinz, he's just one of the Jesenice residents. But for whom has this bivouac been disturbing so far (Heinz, maybe it wasn't exactly fortunate that you posted it), namely, many of you have only now learned about it, yet it has been standing in its place for several years. It's hard to give an opinion on aesthetic criteria, especially if you haven't seen it live. Actually it would be like this: if a recognized, perhaps world-famous architect had designed it, e.g. Le Corbusier or Frank Lloyd Wright, everyone would say Wowww! Then such an architect would argue the decision why he dressed it in screaming blue color, saying it blends nicely with the sky etc., you would start perceiving the bivouac with a different perception. And we're at the damn perception of unconventional masses (that's why most gray cells flee or become depressive).
This kind of negativism and bashing on forums is not aesthetic from any point of view. Katica; there's a cross on Široka peč. Why is that human nonsense there, why must it (looking from emotional and cognitive standpoint of someone thinking like you) disturb my non-believing - atheistic feelings?
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| IgorZlodej2. 11. 2010 16:48:27 |
I haven't managed to visit the bivouac on SS yet, although Lojz has invited me up there several times. But I once viewed it up close from a helicopter, and friends who have been there have also told me about it. Among forum members, I've probably been to the Morbegna bivouac the most times and even slept there. Like all others, Lojz is also a unique and unrepeatable personality who lives his own life and doesn't interfere with others, at least not in the way some of you express it here. Of course everyone can freely express their opinion, but it doesn't have to be offensive. Unfortunately, there are quite a few here who, I don't know if out of envy or something else, attack everything and everyone who doesn't think like them. Lojz made his bivouacs, which can be admirable or a mockery of MOP. Unfortunately, there are also those here who haven't even managed to post one poor picture from the mountains for others to admire, or write something about current conditions. That's what the forum is for. But they are incredibly fast when it comes to spitting on someone and obviously register just for that purpose, like "katica" for example. We really don't need those.
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 16:50:32 |
sherpa, you've already written a whole 28 posts?? Sorry, elder! Have you already stood on 28 peaks? If yes, then unfortunately that's too little for the ascent to S.S. (let me be a bit cynical too)
I wanted to write something earlier, but restrained myself: woman-jprim, you're macho!!, publicly attacked regarding her comments (what a gentleman), saying they are worthy of ridicule, or her knowledge is. Meanwhile you - dude, don't even want to realize that there is ZS for such cases!!! Old man, shame on you for stooping to personally smear some woman - already a long-time participant of this forum, which you are only just getting to know personally! Actually you haven't grasped the spirit of this forum yet. And you say, or think, that you're a mountaineer!!
I advise you to change your username for the third time!
Sherpa, from where do you say you come?
From Tibet, ... Himalayas??
Who should believe your writings???
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| velesa2. 11. 2010 16:57:09 |
Not only for sherpa, for many others we could ask where the culture, tolerance, respect, sympathy, friendship are,.. But envy, hypocrisy, malice are noticeable,... It seems like you have no respect for yourselves, let alone for others, that you are at odds with yourselves and indirectly post your discomfort. Maybe you're jealous of Lojze because you're not capable of something like that, like he is. And this applies to someone else who provides information on this forum, but it's contradicted and "splits hairs".
And I wish you lots of tolerance, joy and above all self-respect!
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| prokofjev2. 11. 2010 16:57:41 |
Heinz, you actually lit this fire with your post. What did you think? That everyone would just applaud, like last time that guy who revealed some girl appeared in public with a belly and brought it to our noses
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| jprim2. 11. 2010 16:58:44 |
Thanks heinz for the support, but you know I have thick skin and simply sherpas, katics ... and some more are there, I pity them at the same time, obviously they are very unhappy in life and express their dissatisfaction that way, simply aggressively, attackingly, but they don't realize that they reveal their hidden face.
LP!
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| Maja_C2. 11. 2010 17:13:21 |
I'm studying the pictures of the path to the bivouac and what Heinz wrote about the approach over the wall - I'm interested if that part over the wall is properly secured or more like "here and there a peg". It really tempts me to go see this goblin stuff, as Žan writes.
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:14:40 |
Yes, jprim, the main cause of these silly ignorant comments is, I think, purely psychological. What do we want? Hope dies last.
And let me add this, or I owe it to you: when a while ago I made some joke about women (I think it was more in jest) you kindly pointed it out to me in PM. And then we nicely resolved the issue at that level. You showed true mountaineering culture. I was even a bit ashamed. But you surely know I wasn't attacking anyone personally. That would be quite "pink".
You showed me what PMs are for.
And in the sherpa case you proved yourself "manly"..
Us kids can be a bit ashamed
Best, jprim! Maybe we'll meet someday right at the wonderful Žakel's bivouac at S.S.!
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| Hribovc882. 11. 2010 17:16:57 |
I agree with katica that the bivouac doesn't belong in nature at all!!! And what will these people come up with next, yeah it's not true no  
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:20:21 |
Yes, Maja C, it's like this: the section over the wall (which isn't too long or strenuous) Žakelj secured well with pitons - as I wrote - larger ones for holding and "jesenice" ones for clipping.. or - as desired.
There are enough pitons, some crawling is needed, caution is definitely not superfluous.
Good luck Maja! You won't regret it and I'm already looking forward to your comment, if you post it here (seems to me you will)
LP
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:22:27 |
Some so-called or self-proclaimed "mountaineers" don't belong in nature
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| aljazek2. 11. 2010 17:32:29 |
Ah yes, this all seems quite funny to me. Of course lots of "climbers" show up who like this "bivouac". But if you see mountains and Nature as a religion, then this painted box is more like mocking everything you believe in. I don't know how he managed for this thing to still stand, because there are too many of us in the world for everyone to put up their bivouac wherever they want. A bivouac should blend as best as possible with the environment and leave as small footprint in Nature as possible. His lifestyle and mindset are totally fine by me, I just don't quite understand his actions. The arguments on this forum defending it are either weak or childish, because accusing envy we played already in elementary school...
PS: if anyone is interested in my first and last name, I'll send it via PM
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| pinkerton2. 11. 2010 17:34:53 |
But I think it's cute as a little pear.
Heinz, what if you took all us forumers who like this little bivvy up there on a trip?
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:43:13 |
Well, aljažek (why the diminutive??), since you say that there are too many of us in the world.. to have everyone put up their own bivouac, I ask you, when would you even manage, or be able to build one, if you probably haven't even managed to climb up to the one in question yet? Or have you visited it already??
I suggest that those who have at least been near it comment.
Well, bang, that's how us smart Slovenians can be (I'm tempted to use diminutive too, but I won't, precisely because of these "smart ones" who love using it)
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:44:58 |
pinkerton: with pleasure! Everyone would be thrilled! They'd start respecting people like our Alojzij.
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| aljazek2. 11. 2010 17:52:32 |
The origin of my username has absolutely nothing to do with this "bivouac", so it's not important. Given that I'm a diligent student, I have tons of time in summer, and by nature I'm more of a practical type. I don't plan to climb to this creation, because I prefer walking in pristine corners and rainbow boxes don't interest me. The suggestion for filtering comments is unfortunately not accepted from my side.
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| heinz2. 11. 2010 17:57:28 |
aljazek, why not just be Aljaž?
Or will you become that only when you grow up? Will we even live to see it?
Are you a Slovene, or a little Slovene (slovenček)??
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