Equipment - helmet, via ferrata kit, water bladder...
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| keber120. 07. 2012 21:26:30 |
@MajaO: before I literally poured water from stop to stop, drank too much and then went off the path to the WC. Now I drink less but still enough, anyway I'm used to drinking huge amounts. It's important that hydration is regular, not abundant. If you drink once per hour, and then more, that's not right.
Regarding self-belaying it's like this: on the last tour in the Kamnik Alps I had the protection kit on the ferrata at Rinka, over Dolgi hrbet and down from Jezerska Kočna. Some will think that's too much since I really used it only a few times, but I take it even just for maybe one more exposed spot. I can manage without, but the harness and kit don't bother me. If someone thinks it's too much, that's their thing. Some of us are just more sensitive to exposed parts even if they seem easy to someone.
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| janez.novak22. 07. 2012 11:59:46 |
On Friday I went to Prisojnik via Kopiščarjeva. I had harness and via ferrata kit. I used it only where I thought it was dangerous, of course through the chimney and low tunnel where you have to crawl. Otherwise, for example on Via Italiani, where I secure the whole route.
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| Janiel7426. 08. 2012 16:47:11 |
Not sure if it fits this thread but there was some talk about bladder. Maybe banal question: what do you clean the bladder with? just water or something else? thanks
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| tol26. 08. 2012 16:57:10 |
More than cleaning, drying is problematic. Especially the tubes. That's how algae can form...
I do it somehow like this:
Before and after each use I rinse the bladder with lukewarm/hot water. So that I pull water through the tube a few times too and when I feel it no longer tastes like isotonic I empty it and fold it nicely...
Then I put it straight into the freezer (empty of course), where it waits till next use.
Every now and then it gets cleaning with baking soda. I fill the bladder with water to which I add baking soda, pull it through the tube and let it stand about an hour. Then I rinse it again with water.
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| keber126. 08. 2012 17:28:50 |
I don't complicate it - I empty it and rinse it and let the inside dry. True, sometimes I forget that too, since I take it even for some Smarna Gora, and then the remaining water sits for about a week. But so far in the last 2 years I've had it, no problems. Otherwise I wash it occasionally with regular detergent and a dishwashing sponge and rinse with hot water, you can pour boiling water too if you're too sensitive to bacteria.
The only problem is the mouthpiece, where algae started accumulating, which I can't remove no matter what. They settled because I left the cap on the mouthpiece (moisture+darkness=algae), but so far it doesn't smell, and it's not falling apart. Anyone have an idea?
Once it even got punctured, which I easily fixed with silver electrical tape on both sides. Anyway it's packaging that costs just as much as gas from Ljubljana to Bohinj and back.
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| GregorC26. 08. 2012 18:13:28 |
I only carry water in the bladder. But I also rinse it with lukewarm water before and after use and blow the liquid out of the tube, then let it dry. Usually it's hanging somewhere until next use. The mouthpiece, I clean without problem by pulling the rubber out of it and rinsing it well and drying with a cloth. I have a McKinley one.
And every spring I buy a new one.
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| andrej.bg11. 09. 2012 13:33:40 |
Hello mountain lovers. In recent years, fingerless gloves have become common on secured mountain paths. Maybe someone can explain why these so-called fingerless climbing gloves and also advise what the most suitable ones should be, leather, rubberized, branded or just regular winter ones?
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| jax11. 09. 2012 15:25:25 |
Gloves should provide better grip on cables and prevent blisters on long via ferratas and possible injuries from damaged cables. I'm conservative about this and claim that no gloves can give the grip and feel you get with bare hands, so I always go barehanded. Of course on longer paths the price can be blisters. But - you should see what an alpinist's hands look like after a 500m route ...
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| Zebdi11. 09. 2012 15:29:48 |
@jax, they look just fine. Exceptions are cracks, where scraped hands are linked to different climbing technique, but in our hills there's no panic. Hands survive without blisters 
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| keber111. 09. 2012 15:50:46 |
As far as I'm concerned, blisters aren't the problem, but greasy and damp hands (and cables). This via ferrata glove solves it excellently. To be honest, I can't imagine how I would climb the Božičev vrh ferrata without gloves.
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| Janiel7411. 09. 2012 19:07:33 |
@keber1: exactly. No comparison in grip if hand is damp and greasy or if I have glove on.
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| Keko11. 09. 2012 19:40:14 |
We've climbed Božičev vrh ferrata with my wife twice already, both without gloves and no problem. I have the best feel with bare hand on the cable.
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| Tatana3. 10. 2012 22:10:51 |
I'm interested what climbing harness you usually use - just the lower part or also the upper? And why?
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| viharnik4. 10. 2012 07:39:05 |
For secured climbing paths, a climbing harness without the upper part is perfectly sufficient. It is important that the attachment loop of the lanyard goes not only over the front single waistbelt, but correctly over the lower one connected to both leg loops that grip the thighs and legs and also over the front single in a figure-eight knot. The upper shoulder cross set is combined with the lower harness if we have a heavy backpack while climbing or in alpinism where possible falls are several pitches long. Some recommend on via ferratas a two-part set - guides, but that's completely inappropriate, because with this at a fall with upper part-head you're closer to the rock than just with harness use. Fall here goes along the cable close to rocks, in alpinism it's free fall to lower piton, you catch on legs.
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| jax4. 10. 2012 11:26:24 |
The upper shoulder cross harness combines with the lower climbing harness if we have a heavy backpack while climbing or in alpinism, where possible falls are several pitches long.
Well, if I'm completely honest, I'd like to see an alpinist who uses it. Except of course on the alpinism exam ...
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| viharnik4. 10. 2012 15:07:28 |
According to the rules, you should have it, but I agree, it's like that. But the kit is mandatory for mountain rescue when rescuing the injured.
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| turbo4. 10. 2012 15:25:06 |
It was fun back then, wasn't it 
First we walked, for example, along Hanzova to Mojstrovka without anything that is, bareheaded and without any kits. Then sometimes we put on a work helmet, there was nothing else - those mountaineers had the "visor" cut off so they wouldn't hit the rock. Later, when we occasionally saw some foreigner abroad clipping to cables, we made our own kit from prusik and carabiner - at the beginning of course in combination with a one-piece harness, because there were no separate "lower" ones yet.
And today
Yeah, nowadays people who spent a bunch of bucks on the best best equipment from the best best manufacturer are dying - why again poor material, poor workmanship, make cheap - sell expensive ??? 
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| janna4. 10. 2012 15:38:34 |
turbo, I sign under what you wrote. I regularly read your posts too.
But it's always very funny to me when you write: back then, many years ago, I don't know how many years I've been going to the mountains ... Then I always look at your profile again, and realize you're not even that old as you write in posts.
Well, a bit of joke ... but there's some truth in every joke, right  .
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| tol4. 10. 2012 19:39:49 |
Turbo, here I can't agree with you.
1. Hiking/mountaineering/alpinism has undoubtedly grown a lot...
2. According to older colleagues, the mountains here weren't as crumbly as they are today. About the reasons some other time.
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