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1mitjas1. 02. 2022 07:59:00
Besides recent accidents on Triglav, I decided to write a short guide for all who want to climb Triglav in winter.

First, Triglav in winter is quite different from Triglav in summer. In summer, it is an easier protected climbing route (better equipped than most of our other mountains); in winter, it often is a real alpinistic ascent. Fixed ropes are often snow-covered, sunny parts below Mali Triglav are often icy, and slopes reach up to 50°.
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What makes the ascent even harder is that we also have to return the same way. If conditions in the morning are still ideal for ascent and the snow holds well, they often change on descent. The snow is softer, crampons ball up, and we can reach the ice beneath it… Moreover, descending technical terrain is harder than the ascent itself.
The above is intended as food for thought for many who are heading to Triglav in winter conditions for the first time. The continuation I envisioned as a short guide: what to tick off before this ascent so that the Triglav ascent itself goes without too much stress and as safely as possible. I will start with complete beginners; you can find yourself at a certain preparation level and more easily determine what you still lack in preparations for your goal.

We start building fitness in spring or summer on the local hill. We start gradually and slowly extend the distance, elevation gain, and time on hikes. In this phase, it is great if we reach 400 meters of elevation gain three times a week and add a longer hike once a week (1000-1500 meters of gain).

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Once we are well acclimatized in the mid-mountains, we can slowly start thinking about high mountains. Some of you are in good fitness and can skip the first step, others will need years for it. In high mountains, we start with longer, easier tours, such as ascent to Stol, Krn…
Once we feel good in this world, we can continue to more demanding paths. Before visiting them, I definitely recommend a via ferrata movement course. When choosing a course, be careful that the course leader has the right competencies. These courses are offered by mountaineering societies, private societies, mountain guides, and unfortunately also other know-it-alls. An alpinistic instructor, for example, does not have specific guiding knowledge. So it can easily happen to you that you end up on a course with 30 like-minded people under the leadership of one person who will teach you “everything” needed on the ground. When you go on a tour as part of the course, you will already be taking care of yourselves completely. Since we know every beginning is hard, such an approach is not recommended. It is better for you to be in a small group where the course leader will have time in case of problems and can devote attention to you.

After completing the via ferrata movement course, you can climb them alone. For starters, I recommend easier ferratas in Mojstrana, Črna na Koroškem, Vipava… If this world draws you in, you can also build your knowledge and muscle strength on harder ones – Gonžarjeva peč, Jezersko, Zelenica, Jerman…

These ferratas will give you a basic feel for your reaction to ‘air’ under your feet. If that does not bother you, you can tackle protected paths in our mountains. I mentioned ferratas before this because protected paths are not protected over their entire length. Fixed ropes are often only on harder spots; easier but possibly still exposed spots must be overcome without them. Here too, you can gradually increase ascents, from mid-mountain paths (Šmarna gora) towards mountains. For orientation, here are some ascents: Mala Mojstrovka via Hanzova, Prisojnik via ridge, Triglav… Once we master all that, we can go to harder rocky ascents: Škrlatica, Jalovec, Mrzla gora…

If you are drawn to even harder pathless terrain and easier climbing routes, I definitely recommend attending an alpinism school. There, for your money, you will get a huge amount of knowledge that will be useful on these ascents. It is true that in alpinism school you will not be a social media star, but probably just an average unpromising greenhorn. Nevertheless, you can find great company there for harder ascents and eventually even become an alpinist. Above all, in school you will get the necessary rope technique knowledge and also theoretical basics about mountains.

With all these summer ascents, of course you can also visit mid-mountains in winter. This way you learn what clothes you need in winter and test crampons.

Before visiting high mountains, a snow conditions movement course in mountains is again recommended. On this course, you will learn basics about dangers in mountains, avalanches, and use of crampons and ice axe. Here too, as with the summer course – check the competencies of the course provider.

Once we have ticked off summer ascents, winter mid-mountains, and all courses, it is slowly time for gear purchase and high mountains.

In high mountains, start with easier more crowded tours where we probably will not need crampons and ice axe. But both should always be with us, as conditions can change from day to day. Examples of tours: Viševnik, Debela peč, Dovška Baba, peaks above Soriska planina…

Once on such tours we have used crampons and ice axe multiple times and transferred course knowledge to practice, we can start grading our ascents towards our goal. We seek slightly steeper ascents where crampons and ice axe will come more into play. Such ascents can be Begunjščica, Kredarica, Mala Mojstrovka, Savinjsko sedlo…

Once we master such ascents, we go to even steeper, easier couloirs such as the central one in Begunjščica, Vrtača, Mala Rinka through Turski žleb, Pripravniška in Mala Mojstrovka…

Once we descend these couloirs without issues, we can slowly start thinking about winter ascent to Triglav.

If you managed to get through these lines, you probably noticed that the list of ascents before the main goal is quite extensive. And this list has only some ideas. I suggest at least 10 ascents from each category before tackling solo winter Triglav. In support of this is the fact that occasionally I guide guests who have completed alpinism school and have recently climbed quite a bit. Yet they still decide to ascend Triglav with a guide.

Mountains are a beautiful but cruel world. Taking shortcuts in our experience can quickly cost us dearly, in the extreme case even our lives. Unfortunately, most people are not physically and mentally capable enough to go from nothing (hill experience) to winter Triglav in one year. For some, preparation for this feat will take five years, for some 10, some will never get there.

The only shortcut I can recommend is hiring a mountain guide. If we talked about different providers with courses, I am firmly convinced that only an IFMGA licensed mountain guide can safely take you to winter Triglav. All other profiles do not have enough knowledge for such an ascent, as it is an alpinistic ascent. A few years ago, a picture appeared online of an alpinistic instructor with 5 guests on a rope. Mountain guides in winter conditions lead at most 2 guests, as that is the maximum we can still do safely.

If someone offers the ascent at half price, the reason may be working on quantity. Unfortunately, such work can really end badly for all involved.

I sincerely hope that this writing touches someone and the trend of at least one dead person per winter season on Triglav ends. I believe that most people go up there because of some inner desire and not because of Facebook likes. At the same time, I believe that quite a few, if they knew what they are getting into, would not go. With this piece, I wanted to describe what you can expect on Triglav in winter and how to prepare so that this challenge is not too big.

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With the recent accidents, there was also talk about needing to know how to arrest with an ice axe. I believe that the terrain where the accidents happened does not forgive mistakes and even a super trained alpinist could not arrest a fall there. When you head to Triglav in winter, you must be 100% sure that you will not fall. If by unfortunate chance you fall on the steeper part from Kredarica to Mali Triglav, knowledge of ice axe arrest unfortunately will not help you.
And a bit about gear inflation and experience deflation. Old foxes go to Triglav with one ice axe. If to feel safe you need two ice axes, maybe this ascent is too demanding for you and your current knowledge. With these words, of course, I do not want to challenge heroism; I just want you to think whether you are really made of the right stuff for winter Triglav or not.

Just at the end, some of my references – I have been to Triglav over 300 times, since 2009 I am a mountain guide and on Triglav in all conditions 20–40 times a year. What we observe on this mountain in all seasons is concerning; my subjective feeling is that given everything seen, there are still few accidents.

Brains in head and with small steps towards your big goal.

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lijaneja1. 02. 2022 09:23:43
Well written, Mitja, understandable to a wider audience. I would firmly strike the ferrata paragraph, and the guide ad disturbed me a bit.nasmeh
Good luck!
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dprapr1. 02. 2022 10:16:28
Mitja, useful tips for this forum.

Regarding ferrata recommendations, it seems everything is towards preparing people for SVK use. Otherwise, first easier protected paths and gradualness.
I assume first recommendations, then mandatory. Though on our protected paths SVK is often unusable and in the way. If they equip them like that, they will no longer be the same. Like Via Amalia nearby now, cables everywhere, even where once safe and "free".
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Hribolaznik1. 02. 2022 11:03:10
Excellently written, kudos to Mitja. I've already hiked a lot, climbed several ferratas with "E" sections, descended ice from Marmolada, yet I don't feel prepared for winter Triglav ascent. First winter tours on Begunjščica, Vrtača, Mala Mojstrovka, etc. And ice axes and ice crampons, which I see are very popular, I absolutely won't need and I'm not bothering with them.
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1mitjas1. 02. 2022 11:09:33
I put via ferratas in there, because I think it's the safest way to see your reaction on exposed spots and prepare for them.

These via ferratas will give you a basic feel for your reaction to 'air' under your feet. If that doesn't bother you, you can tackle the secured paths in our mountains.
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Trobec1. 02. 2022 11:32:15
@hribolaznik, I'll say no to these suggestions twice. Or at least not in exactly that form.
- Selling "licenses": against, because it just introduces commercialization, like paid parking lots whose almost exclusive purpose is profiteering (e.g. municipalities), not reducing traffic. Number of permits can be limited even if free. Like on Teide. This approach might even make sense. But then only possible in summer, in winter I doubt a guard will stand checking permits in all conditions. In summer there's another problem, more paths... But that would probably still be easier.
- Significant increase in overnight prices: same as before, just commercialization (mountains only for richer), huts still fully booked. And if they can't fix toilets now... it's not exclusively a lack of money problem. Maybe reduce hut capacities? But no one will suggest that...
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_sandra_1. 02. 2022 14:51:14
@lingo: I'd hold back on commenting, but your post bothered me.. how you value yourself..., well this champagne for 2 eur I carried 5 hours to Kredarica and since I value dejan as a person and his company, we drank it together. With champagnes for 100 eur we can argue in the valley, no need to hike 5 hours up for that! Good luck nasmeh
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lingo2. 02. 2022 07:39:42
sandra good job because you carried it 5 hours, it surely was good for toasting.

You know, years ago we celebrated NYE at Kredarica and agreed everyone brings something. The one who brought wine put two bottles of cheapest "starčak" on table. He said wine is wine anyway and waste to spend more euro. But he had to carry it 5 hours and in glasses it was still crap. We grumpy because we weren't worth that extra euro.
In short, you can carry it around the world and it stays crap. Good only for those who don't care if it's even made from grapes. Nice that dejan, whom you wrote with small letter, you value so highly.
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redbull2. 02. 2022 09:01:37
Otherwise Primož, those Championi were 2.99 eur, Radgonska 7 eur. Would buy Biser for 4 eur but they didn't have it. What prices does Zemono have, so next time I order from them?
Better to return to conditions.
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iztok19602. 02. 2022 09:29:43
Dejan, based on comments from our old acquaintance (under new nick, but he's old, and I don't know him) and since I guess your birthday is same as mine (24.jan), next year tell me, I always have some silver sparkling wine at home. And as you wrote, back to conditions.
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ejti2. 02. 2022 14:36:45
I think under the nick "lingo" it's not Primož A., but quite the opposite - someone who obviously had quite a grudge against him. Browse a bit through lingo's old posts.
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lingo2. 02. 2022 14:40:04
hahaha mountain sherlocks
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Trobec2. 02. 2022 14:50:43
I agree, bad wine you can carry wherever, it won't get good. But equally important, price doesn't define quality. At the old company once for New Year we shared bottles at 15€. But what does that help... if the wine was spoiled! mrk pogled
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iztok19602. 02. 2022 15:33:59
Because Dejan wrote Primož's name in his reply, I immediately checked who user lingo is - profile had only 1 pic, Primož in the middle, surrounded by the same pic around it. Some 2 hours after my post, the pic disappeared from profile. And Sherlock tried to unravel it and lo and behold, user primož doesn't exist on COVID thread, though we all know he posted countless contributions. And Ejti, if you research backwards, under lingo's posts you really find someone who could have had Primož in his stomach, but only if searching by the only possible system on this site, by COVID, Osp topics...
So if someone else, then someone else must ask how that's possible.
Also, my offer to Dejan was only because comment implied price determines quality - I don't drink champagne, but know silver sparkling is good and I'm ready to give, not sell, it to Dejan next year.
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ejti2. 02. 2022 17:41:34
Let it be, whoever wants...
Cheers to Dejan and the team, and safe steps.
nasmeh
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xerian2. 02. 2022 19:33:01
Well, that wine is just fine mežikanje
Real die-hard mountaineers know that wasting bucks on expensive wines isn't the point of mountaineering...
Because if you value yourself as a mountaineer, with what you save on cheaper wine better buy an extra tank of fuel for your steel horse and go to Triglav a couple more times velik nasmeh
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skalar503. 02. 2022 00:58:51
interesting ... on a forum about conditions in the mountains writing (also) about wine, sparkling wines ... whoever knows the field a bit could only smile ... and I'm not talking about tastes (say about sales hit, proverbially "good" tank semi-dry silver Radgonski sparkling) or reading champagne for 2 euros (whole Champagne would grab their head) but about simplification. What is expensive and what cheap (not valued) bottle of Slovenian sparkling (or still) wine ... etc. Up here I'd still rather read current info from various mountain trails ... no hard feelings
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dprapr3. 02. 2022 09:14:24
It's also interesting that you prefer discussing these champagnes rather than the advice Mitja listed for you. Too painful, right.
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iztok19603. 02. 2022 12:46:13
@dprapr, no, I didn't comment because some Mitja's advice hurt me, I just think I don't have enough experience to comment in detail and because I don't go where I don't feel qualified enough. What I do for my "taste" is enough for me. But I read all comments from more qualified ones and I agree with the remarks, as they are logical, Mitja's contribution welcome, at least for guys like me.
But it will always bother me if someone imposes their view of celebration on someone. But here I end, because it's a fact that I often get angry at off-topic posts too, this time I allowed myself an exception, not because I always agree with Dejan, simply because I think some posts are inappropriate and it's time for some ordinary "hiker" to give his view.
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redbull12. 03. 2022 19:58:38
11.03.22
Parking similar to a month ago (Kovinarska hut(5), 200m before it (cca 6) or safely at the start in Radovna. Path is super, especially due to weather, as I knew it would be clear above 2300m. On ascent you're surely without skis sooner than with them, but on descent it all reverses. It was pure calm. Even those "balls" at the wind turbines didn't twitch. Summit conditions great, no ice from last month. On descent I skipped the ridge due to fog, lower down all as usual under Draški vrhovi to the valley.
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this rain, fatal to two a few weeks ago, is now friendlier.14
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