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| aljoša115. 09. 2014 13:38:24 |
I found out that there is a stamp on Mišelj Peak  . At the logbook box, look to the right. About 3-5 meters away there is a cairn, under which the stamp is.
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| alyas13. 10. 2014 21:48:25 |
Pl. v Lazu - Lazovški preval and Ogradi - Mišeljski preval - junction above pl. Pod Mišelj vrhom - Koštrunovec - Mišelj Peak - Mišeljska dolina - Mišeljski preval - pl. Krstenica
Weather conditions these days (and it looks like for the next weekend too) are still favorable for visiting these mountains. The path from the parking under pl. Blato, to pl. V Lazu and further over Lazovški and Mišeljski preval is marked and well trodden, but just before we descend to pl. Pod Mišelj vrhom (further Malo and Velo Polje under Vodnikov dom), we find the appropriate junction (less visible path) and head left uphill towards Koštrunovec through steep grass slopes and among scrub. In good weather orientation is not so difficult (very few cairns), but one must be accustomed to off-trail hiking and finding good passages. The approach to Koštrunovec is easiest from the west or from the wide saddle below Mišelj Peak, that's why they say Koštrunovec has two peaks too.
The approach from Koštrunovec to Mišelj Peak is demanding, but "easiest" along the left edge of the ridge (shown in the picture), but even this path, due to the airiness of the ridge and steep grass in the first part, is not for everyone and requires a sure step and at least some such experience. In the second part and below the summit it is less exposed and less difficult. The summit is relatively spacious. We descended along the western ridge to the saddle (before the rise Na Nizkem), then down through relatively steep grass and a small scree into the end of Mišeljska dolina. Here the terrain levels out a bit and orientationally, nor in difficulty, no longer presents problems to Mišeljski preval. For less experienced and unaccustomed to off-trail, this direction, which we returned by, is more recommended and easier also for ascent to the peak.
From Mišeljski Preval we descend under Prevalski Stog towards planina Jezerce, from there more or less along the flat ledge and trodden path under the Stogov ridge we continue to planina Krstenica. From Krstenica to planina Blato it's just under an hour of walking. Thanks to Rok for excellent leading and to Hribolazcem for good company, to all stamp collectors just a small advice that such a path is not for everyone and requires some self-critical assessment of psychophysical abilities.
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| Guest14. 10. 2014 09:42:21 |
Congratulations for the nice tour, especially for the excellent and factual path description. I really miss such posts on this portal, as I often feel that posts are not meant to inform about conditions but to self-praise individuals, often hidden behind pseudonyms. Nice greetings and safe hiking in the mountains. Miro
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| pikica114. 10. 2014 10:05:19 |
The tour is definitely nice, but I think it's unnecessary to draw the approach line to the pathless peak.
You can put way more people in danger with this line than the one who just asked for the stamp, obviously. Folks go around with pictures in their pocket and precisely drawn approach directions up. Isn't it enough to be a bit of a path follower and find the approach to the peak yourself if the mountain allows it? You spoil all the pleasure with this, marking the mountain in a very dangerous way like that.
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| merkur14. 10. 2014 12:54:20 |
These and similar forums have done a lot of good for hiking, but the multitude of photos, especially those with "marked lines", slowly and persistently takes away the romance from us (for safety it probably adds something and takes something). So in the name of posterity I support pikica1's opinion, although the mentioned process cannot be stopped. Fortunately, for now you still have to go on the path and reach the summit on your own feet. Mostly. And yes, fortunately again, the amount of satisfaction at the end of the tour still strongly depends on the effort invested and milliliters of adrenaline flowed!  Good luck!
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| Mrki14. 10. 2014 18:12:33 |
Some don't hike on their own feet!
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| gams115. 10. 2014 16:43:15 |
All tips and good posts, pictures, descriptions, as well as freehand classic drawings or modern electronic forms with contemporary technology, are welcome here by many, especially for pathless terrain, it depends on the person what they believe, how they use it or what they prioritize.
Pikica, comparatively based on your and Alyas's past posts, I would objectively and à la Prešeren say: "let the horse judge the shoes".
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| JusAvgustin15. 10. 2014 17:24:17 |
GPS track and pathless terrain don't go together in my opinion.
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| Bojan_A15. 10. 2014 21:06:50 |
Sooner or later GPS tracks of all paths and off-trails will be available on the net, whether you like it or not. If you don't, no one forces you to use them.
One super site with lots of GPS tracks: http://www.gpsies.com/
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| Janez Seliškar15. 10. 2014 21:13:00 |
We speak of pathless terrain only when GPS is just in one's own head, formed on the basis of various literature. A hike with the aid of tracks on a device you carry is just recreation.
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| JusAvgustin16. 10. 2014 05:48:50 |
Bojan, then it's good that you and those like you don't venture into the area between Velika Pišenca and Vrata! 
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| Bojan_A16. 10. 2014 11:28:04 |
It's not about blindly following the GPS track. I use GPS first for safety since I mostly hike alone, and second because it's always interesting to analyze the track at home in Google Earth. But of course be aware that on Martuljek pathless areas GPS is mostly unusable. But it can be nicely used e.g. to set the start of the path.
Still I hope GPS tracks of PP and other Martuljek pathless areas will be online as soon as possible. I add tracks as I go if others don't overtake me.
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| lynx16. 10. 2014 11:38:33 |
 Why? I understand for personal use — I record too, but to share?  Besides, it's often full of systematic errors and the track useless or even dangerous if someone tries to blindly follow it.
And again, please let one of the admins move all this to its own thread.
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| JusAvgustin16. 10. 2014 12:17:00 |
People like you and similar better stick to marked paths and don't "mess around" in pathless areas, because the notion of pathless is completely foreign to you! Anyway PP is for pathless connoisseurs and not clowns who go just to boast, criticize how too easy it is and with GPS bang out a track they then dump on their blog! Bravo, you hit the essence of PP and pathless!
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| jure197716. 10. 2014 12:35:05 |
Juš, I completely agree with you. Let pathless areas remain pathless. There are very few corners left with us that aren't crowded and it's right to leave them as they are.
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| merkur16. 10. 2014 13:08:11 |
I got a feeling (hope it deceives me!), that Mr. Bojan despite his youth is quite "sly" and casually intentionally mentioned Martuljek pathless and PP re GPS tracks to poke specific ones... But in general the young guy is right: sooner or later it will happen, whether some (probably already minority) want or not.
By the way I'm curious if (quality and verified!) GPS tracks will be part of the new Julian Alps guide where far-sighted Bojan A (only)mentioned as (co)author. Well, then it would seem sensible (added value) to upgrade path descriptions with GPS tracks and/or at least start points (already some standard). Tracks perhaps added selectively, mainly main connecting marked paths - to increase safety of hikers (interactive web update option would boost usability). Here clear responsibility for quality, PZS should contribute... But enough, all and more is known about it (some realized), anyway off-topic! 
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| IgorZlodej16. 10. 2014 16:12:27 |
Juš, is it true or am I mistaken that someone jumped the fence of your garden?
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| som6916. 10. 2014 18:51:17 |
Lizi, I don't mind if you don't have a name, nor do I mind if I don't know if you have something between your legs or not, but for god's sake, at least attach a pic of Smarna Gora or whatever to your profile, it's easiest to f...k.
As for off-trail paths, let's enjoy while it lasts, with such tech development, everything will be accessible sooner or later whether you like it or not.
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