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dprapr25. 08. 2012 07:22:39
As far as I know, there is no ferrata in our high mountains!
All paths follow natural passages.]]>
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viharnik25. 08. 2012 07:35:54
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panda25. 08. 2012 07:40:32
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dprapr25. 08. 2012 11:24:53
I do agree that some shorter sections on our secured paths are similar to ferrata sections. But that doesn't mean such a path is a ferrata.
As far as I know, in the Julians only Via Italiana on Mangart, Via della Vita and Via Amalia were treated as ferratas. All three are in Italy, unfortunately?]]>
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Keko25. 08. 2012 11:29:50
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drofebo125. 08. 2012 11:57:00
I'll also join the debate about carrying a via ferrata kit in our mountains. I've never used it, nor a helmet, and I've walked the entire SPP three times. But now it's different. My wife and I go to the mountains and both use a helmet and a via ferrata kit. And it's pure luck that it's so. Early July we were in Bovec. We decided to visit Mangart. We go up the Slovenian route and already at the start we get a shower of stones on our heads. Without a helmet here you have nothing to seek. Higher up right by a small snow patch near the summit a stone flies straight into my wife's knee, in front of us a merry group without watching how they walk. I only heard that she feels bad and sees everything black. In this situation I can only thank that she was attached with the via ferrata kit. Special thanks to the guide who came after us and tended the knee with ointment. We somehow drag ourselves to the top, but that group vanishes because they noticed what they did. Down with difficulty via the Italian route. We still planned Krn via the Silva Koren path, but unfortunately ended our vacation on the first day. That's why the statement of one predecessor that the via ferrata kit is for posers warms me. Best regards.
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pohodni25. 08. 2012 20:50:43
To the question as posed by "bernc", whether one can reach Mangart via the Slovenian route without self-belaying, the answer is only YES. From similarly phrased questions you get the feeling that some don't even know what the via ferrata kit is for. From the perspective of easiest progress on the set path, the SMVK is just a burden and obstacle. With it we progress harder, clipping takes quite some time and energy, especially when in a vertical wall holding a peg with one hand and quickly clipping with the other. More than once on key ferrata sections I've had the almost sinful thought: how nice it would be to climb without using SMVK.
But if you've read the above post from "drofebo1" it's all clear. Those who play games of chance all life can hope for a seven, similarly those who go on such and other paths in mountains all life can hit a bad day when nothing goes as wished. Precisely because of that "X" day, in my opinion SMVK use is necessary everywhere where direct fall into depth is possible. Everyone heading to paths under "very difficult path" category should first get a helmet and SMVK. Helmet use is almost mandatory, SMVK on exposed paths (also Slovenian to Mangart) and all ferratas. And don't forget proper physical and mental readiness, as they are still key factors in battling pegs and staples, self-belay is just a safety tool that won't help in progressing.
We must be responsible to ourselves and our families, at least until our kids are self-supporting. When retirement comes, the state will surely be happy if we don't use self-belay, just fall into a deep enough gully.
Happy trails in the mountains.
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dprapr25. 08. 2012 21:44:25
http://www.hribi.net/trenutnerazmere.asp?slo=1&gorovjeid=10001&id=671
I think it would be good to look again at the above page (Jani Bele).

Direct fall into depth is possible in mountains in many places - also where there are no pegs and SVK use is not possible.
The best we can do is avoid crowded paths where we are in the fall line of possible stones. If there's scree on the path and that's frequent, we can't blame predecessors if a stone hits our head. If we persist on such path, best is to wait until those above leave the zone where they're dangerous to us. Or decide for summits that are not so visited, yet beautiful anyway. At least in high season.
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bernc25. 08. 2012 23:27:21
thanks for your answers!
today 25.8.2012 I went up Slovenian and down Italian, no problem with helmet on head.
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Kokta26. 08. 2012 19:57:33
A couple of pics from yesterday's sunny and windy Mangart.
View from the summit towards Rombon and Kanin range1
Jalovec2
Mangart (Belopeška) lakes, Dobrač behind3
Cross on the summit4
View back towards the summit5
path6
Mojstrovke... Triglav behind7
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Path towards Vevnica, Kotovo sedlo and Jalovec9
Crossing the scree10
path11
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View towards the saddle13
Travnik14
Slovenian route15
signpost16
Mangart17
view from near Mangart hut18
Hut on Mangart saddle19
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VanSims10. 09. 2012 19:22:15
On Saturday morning I drive via Kranjska Gora, Tarvisio and Predel to the start of the Mangart road where I park. Then I climb up the road to the start of the landslide and there I turn onto the mountain path towards the hut and saddle. The landslide (year 2000) has thoroughly messed up the path and to Mangart Planina I have to search for it. Then it gets easier, though the markings are already faded and some extra ones wouldn't hurt. mežikanje Probably the one who marked this path is the one who probably (we know why) won't anymore. zadrega

After crossing the (at the time?) dry stream bed the path starts climbing for real, crosses the road for the first time, reaches a clearing and immediately back into the forest. Upon reaching the road I go through the tunnel and before the next tunnel (two markings drawn) back onto the mountain path. It then goes a bit over rocks (here and there some scrambling but nothing serious) and comes out before the last tunnel. Before it there's marked parking (TNP parking regime!) where you can probably park to avoid the parking fee at the top.

After the tunnel there's soon a branch to the hut (marked with an exclamation mark in a triangle which is probably a mistake since it's a regular road), I sit a bit in front of it and snack. When climbing the road further towards the saddle (the path past the hut shortens the route by several turns), already a few hundred meters before the parking I turn right and come directly under Travnik and to the little saddle, where the paths split. From there I spot climbers on Via Italiana, which I probably wouldn't even have noticed (I meet them later at the end of the climbing section on the Italian normal route, which I head for at the split).

Ahead of me first is the ascent on short but nasty scree and there I notice only then that I forgot my poles on the bench in front of the hut. Will they still be there? Well, I console myself that the Italians (most of the foreigners there) are a bit more civilized in the mountains than in the valley, Slovenes anyway don't steal mežikanje well... hmm... here and there someone takes something! velik nasmeh

The 'climbing' part seems easier to me than e.g. Triglav via Planika and harder than e.g. Kamnik Saddle via Okrešelj (though the latter path is more exposed). Then comes scree again and here I meet someone who has a dog tied to himself (otherwise a nice Border Collie) and it happily wags its tail on the steep descent past the cliffs. eek From the branch to Kotovo Sedlo the path starts to drag loooong to the summit.

The views on such a nice day are phenomenal! To Austria to the High Tauern and Grossglockner, and to Italy to the Dolomites. And of course right under my nose the whole chain of the Julian Alps and part of the Karawanks,... It just confirms again that Slovenes know geography only up to the state border, since someone declares Villach as Kranj! velik nasmeh

Then I descend, those climbers from Italiana do too and when I complain to them about the forgotten poles they reassure me that they will surely be waiting there. They go on, but I on that scree notorious for people getting lost, get lost myself to some snow hollow. Oooups! When I reach the chains, some dad with a toddler (not more than a year or a year and a half old) the stroller rushes past me along the edge of the precipice. eek Of course neither he nor the child had a helmet!

Down the chains to the lower scree where poles would come in handy, then down to the saddle and to the hut. When going towards the hut a bearded guy from an old Fiat asks if I've seen goats anywhere. The guy seems a bit weird and at that time I didn't yet suspect that I would ride in that Fiat and how! eek

At the hut I really find the poles. Well, there are still honest people! There's also that bearded man who has obviously found his goats. With him is also some girl. I learn he's Štef (probably the Mangart legend whom I'd bet the above-mentioned probable marker knows), communicative, yes really a bit weird,... in short, a character! mežikanje She's Katja (a student who, as I later learn, is doing her thesis there). They drive off in his Fiat. I also go slowly down the road.

When I reach the branch of the path to the hut from the main road, they are talking there with some cyclist and invite me to hop in because they are driving down. Where am I to sit? zmeden The back is fully loaded. But Štef nicely opens the trunk and seats me inside among all the stuff so that my legs dangle down and - off we go! eek And gas. Literally! We speed through the tunnels like madmen and then abruptly brake before the turns eekzavijanje z očmi Katja warns him to be careful but he claims he knows the road like his own pocket. zmedenzavijanje z očmi mežikanje

Well, at the first (from below) crossing of the footpath with the road Katja decides to go down on foot, because she's obviously had enough of the sliding drive down the slope and the braking and gear-shifting only on turns! velik nasmeh eek I take her seat, Štef waits for the goats to cross the road and we drive to the branch for the dairy, where he drops me off. I thank him for the ride and for the dose of adrenaline that no via ferrata, no matter how difficult, can give velik nasmeh and then we part. Anyway the guy's OK. Hats off that he still holds out there. Apparently 50 years. cool

When I reach the car I drive back via Predel and Tržič (ice cream) to Austria where on Sunday I still cycled in the Gail Valley. From Villach by train to Kötschach then 80 km back on the bike path. cool
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ljubitelj gora15. 09. 2012 12:53:51
Mangart web camera, snow up to 2000 meters.
http://www.hribi.net/spletna_kamera/mangart/67
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rjudnic15. 09. 2012 14:55:17
Last Saturday when I was by bike at Mangart Saddle, the thermometer in the sun showed 31°C mežikanje
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IgorZlodej21. 09. 2012 20:12:39
In the late afternoon I head to Mangart. The saddle was in fog, higher up blue sky appeared. I choose the Slovenian gully. Little snow, some ice, so without crampons quite risky, at least at that passage in the lower part. From SW fogs piled up intensively and by evening covered all valleys in the Western Julians, only Kanal Valley and Upper Sava Valley were without fog, as well as Tamar. I descend the Italian path, which on the north side is snowy, caution needed due to slipping. At the saddle there was fog again and stronger SW wind, which will probably blow tomorrow too.

To all who will head to the mountains this weekend, on the north sides of the mountains there is snow, partly frozen, partly dry, some would say neither fish nor fowl and that's the most annoying and dangerous.
From the mists the familiar image of the mountain reveals itself1
I really like such scenes2
In Slovenska grapa it's deep snow, neither bird nor mouse3
I always gladly stop at rami4
Hopefully the coming winter will be better than last year's5
Choppy sea6
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Foggy below Triglav8
On the northern side9
no comment10
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The day slowly bids farewell12
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tisa22. 09. 2012 07:11:11
Igor, beautiful hike and as always wonderful photos. Good luck and stay safe further. Regards
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panda22. 09. 2012 07:33:24
Congratulations on very nice photos. nasmeh
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ibex22. 09. 2012 10:27:06
This year surely the best day for ascent, what pictures, hats off, I'll look at them ten more timeseek
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Boštjan MK22. 09. 2012 11:54:16
I join the predecessors... Nice, Igor!nasmeh
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majčica22. 09. 2012 17:47:47
This is real poetry, insanely good photos... bravonasmeh
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Janiel7422. 09. 2012 18:07:59
Incredible pictures... but I notice that even the nicest 4, 10, 11 don't have an average rating of 10.. really want to know which smartass rates such pictures less than 10!... probably someone who doesn't like the author???
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