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| gams19755. 01. 2020 12:39:59 |
4.1.2020 night ascent from Krma to Kredarica, path from parking lot leads through forest which was slightly icy and shaded in places. From Prgarca onwards with crampons. Snow frozen.
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| j.17. 01. 2020 13:42:20 |
Opportunity for debate 
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| Rutil17. 01. 2020 14:40:34 |
"Opportunity for debate"
what's there to debate? sorry if it sounds ignorant, but I don't get what's worth debating here - just three guys doing an interesting sport (from their point of view)... all have helmets on, they're surely well conditioned (dragging a bike to Kredarica isn't exactly "easy").
don't know how good the snow was for this feat, but hope they had a blast, nailed the weather
maybe it looks a bit weird to you, but lots of people think climbing hills is for "weirdos" yet that's probably one of top 5 free time activities for this forum's users
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| Rutil17. 01. 2020 14:47:49 |
@djimuzl:
didn't know that (haven't seen a bike in 20 years)
then it's of course wrong.
but does that mean you can't go to Aljažev dom by bike or what?
addition: on the map the road to Vrata Frey (not protected area). but part of the road to Vršič is protected - so by that logic you can't reach Vršič from Primorska by car/bike on the road. interesting.
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| čebejla17. 01. 2020 16:00:04 |
Rutil, well said, they are real kings (if they didn't go to the top—I don't approve of that), but I envy their ride down, that was laughter and joy.
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| edelweiss9617. 01. 2020 16:24:17 |
In TNP some other folks cause way more trouble than cyclists, yet no sanctions.
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| pingvini.slo517. 01. 2020 18:12:21 |
yeah, cycling is basically banned in TNP. mostly they throw out the reason that cyclists destroy nature. as far as I'm concerned the main reason is that hikers and cyclists hardly coexist on same trails. but in TNP canyoning is banned too, takeoffs and landings with paragliders, and more I could list. TNP claims canyoning destroys nature. hunters claim chamois jump into abysses because of paragliders. but really behind it are some old guys pushing long outdated policy. in TNP allowed are activities present there for centuries, like hiking, alpinism, hunters etc, while sports developed in last decades are banned. even though canyoning pollutes mountains same as alpinism. cycling same (or less) as hordes of hikers. no chamois jumps into abyss because of paragliders, they are one of cleanest sports, especially compared to panoramic flights from Lesce to Triglav and back when propellers buzz all summer, but that's ok?!?!! hunters allowed to shoot what's prescribed for cull, rolling rocks down slopes scaring animals so they come under their rifles etc... but no, old farts deciding in TNP say hunters ok, paragliders banned. even Czech tourists bivouacking in groups for days at bivouacs, pitching tents in TNP, camping at Vršič etc, nobody does anything. but they chase the one who bivouacked on mountain top mid winter and send him fine home. high time TNP steps into 21st century!
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| djimuzl17. 01. 2020 18:40:07 |
This year already three fatal accidents in mountains and 30 GRS interventions. Jan 17th. And what happens? Enthusiastic applause to stupidities and law breaking.
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| dragon17. 01. 2020 18:42:16 |
All winter we've been hearing sermons about how winter equipment is needed in the high mountains. Do cyclists have crampons and ice axes, maybe chains on their tires?
Oh yeah, right, they belong to the minority in the mountain world and just like other poor minorities, they don't have to respect the rules.
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| SamoK17. 01. 2020 18:55:32 |
Dragan, go politicize somewhere else, you impatient one!
Otherwise, everyone can go to the mountains dressed, undressed, equipped, unequipped or however they want. There is no regulation about it at all. Just recommendations!
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| čebejla17. 01. 2020 18:57:08 |
dragon, in principle studs are used on bike tires, not chains. Similar thing to snow chains for cars, otherwise banned here.
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| erikdc17. 01. 2020 19:24:07 |
Ordinary (mountain) bike tires hold pretty well in these conditions. You don't need snow chains. These guys are experienced and have biked stuff harder than Kredarica in snow seems to some. On the bike they're as safe as some of you on two ice axes (or one, depending on practice) and crampons or microspikes
That it's TNP and forbidden there is another story... with us it's easier to ban things than to regulate them.
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| GregorC17. 01. 2020 19:26:57 |
They provoked you guys. Don't go to TNP with a bike, better use a car... The guys or girls most likely carried the bikes to Kredarica (so they didn't bike and thus violate the law) and rode past the camera. Carrying a bike is no big deal. You nicely disassemble it, strap the tires and frame to the backpack, ice axe in hand, crampons on feet and that's it. No art.
Some of you will burn up from morality.
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| dragon17. 01. 2020 20:16:50 |
I doubt anyone hauls a bike up to Kredarica just to ride around the hut twice, then hauls it back down with crampons and ice axe.
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| Rutil17. 01. 2020 20:21:37 |
@muzl: regarding breaking laws, especially the sense of some, one could discuss - so everyone who rides over the summit breaks the law because they go through protected area with a vehicle (at least according to TNP map)... the almost fine that Čokl got for "breaking the law".... look, rules/laws must exist, I agree, but they must also make sense.
if these guys rode with motocross bikes it would be very wrong (noise, pollution,...) or if they rode this path e.g. in summer during the procession and endangered all tourists. like this they only endanger themselves and don't cause much damage to the surroundings (everything is under snow now).
accidents happen to the best and the worst - and if someone drags a bike (not exactly feather-light) through snow in mid-winter to, note, Kredarica!!! then probably not a total beginner who one day while dolling up in Ljubljana center, where in a pink Lacoste polo shirt he celebrated a "#coffee_in_center#ljubljana" moment, decided to go mid-winter to Kredarica with a damn DH bike.
dragging GRS into this maybe not appropriate, they are here to help - but I don't understand why they do it for free and not for "big bucks" as brothers south of Kolpa would say. and not just because of staff and infrastructure costs, but because they push rescuers into shit and danger too.
and we're back to the sense of Slovenian laws/rules and not three dudes with DH bikes at Kredarica.
I applaud them because they found some sports activity they like to do and which doesn't have much impact on the environment and other people - why not applaud that? again, someone who drags a DH bike to Kredarica... for him that sport is probably LAW and I assume these guys have ridden quite a few hills before coming up with this idea and thus have quite some experience. the same folks could be blabbing at home in front of screens, instead they gain experience and adventures with sports.
as for foolishness - to each his own. once I was returning to the parking in Vrata and a group of tourists watches (two even with binoculars hehe) climbers in the Wall and comments: "look crazies, why risk that". I thought "pfff... cool cool, slightly fouš, gotta go back to the Wall soon, good idea, good"
if these three pulled off the stunt as planned, this was their "best day ever" and definitely worth a beer at the end.
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| djimuzl17. 01. 2020 20:43:46 |
@Rt
Then breaking the law is the only answer. Yes?
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| Rutil17. 01. 2020 21:02:40 |
"Then breaking the law is the only answer. Yes?"
I don't know what you mean by that sentence?
in totalitarian states criticizing the government was (is) breaking the law - yes it's breaking the law for which a penalty was (is) prescribed, but again....sense of laws.
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| bbugari117. 01. 2020 21:07:52 |
čebejla: what's the difference if they went to the summit or just to Triglav Lodge?
erikdc: Ordinary gojzarji hold well in these conditions. You don't need crampons. These guys are experienced and have tackled harder stuff than Kredarica in snow seems to some. They're as safe on gojzarji as some of you on two ice axes (or one, depending on practice) and crampons or microspikes. That it's TNP and forbidden there is another story... with us it's easier to ban things than to regulate. 
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