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bbugari14. 02. 2026 11:48:07
Cofka probably mistakenly thought of Bogatinsko sedlo...
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cofka4. 02. 2026 21:35:08
The path leads through Vratca to Lepa and further to Mrzla Komna, and they are not connected to Bogatinsko sedlo. 😊
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ppegan4. 02. 2026 22:54:13
Yes, but it's about Turška vratca mežikanje Just take a look at various maps and other records, and you'll see it's named that way everywhere and that we users of this portal didn't make up the name zavijanje z očmi
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cofka5. 02. 2026 03:51:19
Well, I'd like to see that map 😊
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ppegan5. 02. 2026 07:15:48
And the one published on hribi.net isn't credible?? You have the picture on the previous page. There Turška vratca are clearly marked zavijanje z očmi Also on the Sidarta Bohinj 1:25 000 map Turška vratca are marked, and surely on the others too, I haven't checked all. I leave it to you to figure out your own mistake velik nasmeh
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Trobec5. 02. 2026 08:11:32
Cofka, this map isn't hard to see...opentopomap.org nasmeh Just one page click away is also maPZS - same Turška vratca cool
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geofor5. 02. 2026 13:59:41
Turška vratca appear on newer maps. I reviewed Quo, until less than ten years ago the bible of hiking maps and topographic maps. There are no Turška vratca neither on 1:25 000 nor on TTN 1:10 000, let alone on 1:50 000 Julijske Alpe east, TNP 1:50 000, where you find all gates and little gates: Bogatinsko sedlo (Vratca), then Mala vrata, Velika vrata. Also on the fairly new TNP map of the Alpine Association of Slovenia 1:50 000, we find all the above, only no Turška vratca.
I don't know on which map or net record the name first appeared, it surprises me though, since nothing in the mountains changes as fast as in the valley.
Of course I accept the fact that the entry Turška vratca exists on new online published maps, probably first appeared on OpenStreetMap, mapy.cz knows it, outdooraktiv, printed Tabacco as far as I know doesn't, but Kompass doesn't know it. Maybe it would be good to look in Tum's book, Nomenclature of the Julian Alps, or similar literature. Of course, the entry isn't meant to take one side or the other, Cofka probably has her reasons for what she wrote, and Trobec of course has full right from the viewpoint of today's data (maps) to claim what he claims. But for reflection:
when I was young we walked transversals, verticals (SPDT), hiking paths, circuits, later hiking paths, today everything is already trail, who would find their way if another country changed in between nasmeh?
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Trobec5. 02. 2026 15:29:51
Thanks for this explanation, that's something like what I meant by "haven't received the explanation yet" nasmeh I myself haven't delved deeply into multiple different maps.
Obviously it's something similar to Mangart, which on newer maps got an additional a...
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ppegan5. 02. 2026 19:27:12
Oh no, how interesting - ever since I've been going to Komna, which is now more than 35 years, I know that this part is called Turška vratca. So many years ago I didn't know/have any map. Where did I get this info from then?? From locals I think velik nasmeh
@geofor on the Bohinj 1:25 000 map published in 2010, Turška vratca are already drawn, so it's not quite true that this info is only on newer maps mežikanje And also on the Triglav 1:25 000 map there are Turška vratca. I really don't know why this naming bothers some so much zavijanje z očmi
And yes there are also Vratca, which aren't even that far from Turška vratca mežikanje
Bohinj map 1:25 0001
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geofor5. 02. 2026 20:47:53
Some just always want to be right.

I just wrote facts, I didn't deny, even confirmed that on some maps, especially online ones, they are marked as Turška vrata.
But I don't intend to search all maps and find out on which one this naming is first mentioned. I cited a very relevant source that good topography experts surely know (Quo-on it there are also some old editions of hiking maps).

Someone has already dealt with Turški vratci, look at the entry on the website:
https://www.snezak.si/razmere/pomladno-lahkotna-komna-5-enigma.html

We don't get an answer why they are named that way, but we see that someone marked it that way on some map once...and it was passed on.

On the official map of the Survey Administration of the Republic of Slovenia, which is the only authority for such things, they don't know this naming.

Which of course doesn't mean that commercial map publishers can't use a name that seems right to them because they saw it somewhere.

And about locals, yes in Henrik Tum's time that held, now caretakers aren't necessarily, or not at all locals, this year from one end, next year from another, chamois apparently don't speak yet.

And for me it doesn't matter if they are Turkish or Slovenian or some other Vratca, nor what they are called, I just wanted to explain that the matter has its history, which isn't sufficiently researched.

And those 35+ years. I first walked there in 1976, but don't remember what it was called, maybe doors nasmeh.

But I (doors) close them with this entry, as continuing doesn't seem sensible to me. Good evening!
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ppegan6. 02. 2026 10:18:30
I completely agree, some really always want to be right. Funny how you took offense at the locals. Yes, locals, experts of the area and history told me this and many other interesting things about Komna, can also be uncles if easier to understand. And you doubt it. You know, I wasn't just a casual visitor to Koča pod Bogatinom, but spent 35 summers at Planina na Kraju. In that time I learned many things not written in any literature, I knew all caretakers who of course weren't all locals (I remember best the Carinthian Ani), I walked and explored Komna and nearby and even farther surroundings thoroughly. Komna was my second home. I was so at home there that they put me on the viewpoint, I was 11, posing with the mare Olga, with which they transported goods with lojtrnek from Dom na Komni to Koča pod Bogatinom. In the afternoon I rode it too, as I was crazy about horses. I think you can still buy it in the hut today nasmeh
Sometimes, when there was no helicopter supply yet, they transported goods with horses from Dom na Komni to Koča pri Triglavskih jezerih. The late caretaker Janez, a local, let these horses go so they came grazing to our planina, where we caught and rode them. I still remember their names – my favorite was Dingo because he was spotted, and calm Lisko and Dora who was quite wild. When the horses were free for a couple days, Janez took them to Pl. Govnjač to graze on that good grass, as he said. He also took us kids along, so I rode Lisko the whole way to Govnjač. That was an experience nasmeh On the way Janez explained flowers to us, he especially liked pelin, liked to soak it too velik nasmeh, and other curiosities. And yes, I took away a lot, as it was all new and interesting to me. Also where above Pl. na Kraju there are two snow holes – watch out not to fall in, as the living god won't find you. And where sea remains are clearly visible (shells in the rock), where the meat cooler was during the war, where cement remains are that they carried in sacks, and where snakes hide … I collected all that into a booklet or story about the larch Špiček, old age at Pl. na Kraju, which I wrote as part of a seminar paper for VGN, mentor was Marjeta Keršič Svetel. The booklet was for children, but adults would surely learn something new about Komna, its inhabitants, history, myths and legends. If anyone wants, I can send it in PDF, it's really interesting reading.
Oh, to touch on the naming Turška vratca. Uncles told me they are called that because Turks allegedly fled over there to Trentino. If true, unfortunately I don't know, hence the conditional zavijanje z očmi But I think oral tradition is a very nice contribution to preserving history. And equally important as written sources. Enough now. Have a nice day further nasmeh
P.S.: More than a meter of snow has fallen on Komna in the last days, so ski touring beckons, of course when snow conditions stabilize and there's no more (such) avalanche danger.
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Kranj6. 02. 2026 18:15:54
Ppegan, you wrote nicely, I could read on forever. Interesting to listen to or read such real stories.
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mukica7. 02. 2026 07:09:47
Ppegan, thanks for your interesting post. I am also a frequent visitor to Komna and surroundings and grateful for this environment and the opportunity to roam it and learn something previously unknown nasmeh
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zbil13. 02. 2026 08:30:59
Ppegan, great post! I'm a bit jealous of you!nasmeh

What are the current conditions on the path from Savica to the hut below Bogatin?
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ločanka13. 02. 2026 11:27:13
Polona, you really wrote it well. So, if I understand correctly, the title of your reading is The Story of the Larch Špiček, or something like that?
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ppegan13. 02. 2026 12:09:00
Mari, the little story is called The Larch Špičko Tells, it talks about the history, inhabitants, dangers ... of Komna, and some legend is also mentioned inside. I'll send it to you on Messenger mežikanje
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ločanka13. 02. 2026 12:13:16
Thank you nasmeh. You've excited me
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turbo13. 02. 2026 13:00:52
Polona, it's published on PZS website (PDF), it says it's "public" cool Great, nice to read, congratulations nasmeh Even photo of Mari eek čke siničke is inside and much more mežikanje
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ppegan13. 02. 2026 15:00:30
Bojan, nothing escapes you velik nasmeh True, my seminar paper is also published on PZS site, just like all the others nasmeh
Thanks everyone for nice comments nasmeh

@zbil conditions from Savica to Koča pod Bogatinom, which will be full of masquerades and l`bezni this weekend, are ok, it's trampled, small crampons recommended if still icy (it was last week).
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turbo13. 02. 2026 16:00:44
Polona, I don't use Messenger, so I had to peek elsewhere velik nasmeh
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