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Grintovec and Kočna

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Domch26. 04. 2013 13:22:51
I went the same way in late autumn. It's a nice tour from Suhadolnik up; it has everything - steep grassy slopes, demanding scree, rocks, protections. I descended via the pot-bellied pass over Zgornji Dolci down the scree back and through Grdi Graben. So that's also a descent variant, of course the ascent to Grintovec is excluded then. The passage between both Kočnas is nicely secured, but one still needs to be careful.
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jax26. 04. 2013 15:11:38
I went the same, but didn't want to return through Grdi graben, so went rather over Ovnov čir to Kokrsko sedlo. So, nice variant, you can extend it over Grintovec if there's time, will and energy left.
Briefly about the tour:
1. Suhadolnik-Taška-old hut: bp. Some gymnastics at the handholds, but overall fairly easy
2. old hut-Grdi graben-Dolci: maybe even the hardest part of the tour! Slope is very steep, fully exposed, grassy, slippery and secured only in a few places. Maximum caution needed, after wet strongly advise against. Dolci are one of those almost kitschy spots in our hills where one misses only a violet cow. Feels good knowing not everyone can get here (though no special issues over Ovnov čir).
3. Dolci-past bivouac-Kokrska Kočna: first gravel gully, then long annoying scree, then for me personally quite pleasant and easy climbing on rocks. Probably more issues on descent, but up it went really nice. Path secured only in one place, elsewhere free, but no special problems. Rock not super quality, but doesn't deviate from average in Kamniks and I don't know why Kočna got reputation of horrible crumbliness.
4. Kokrska Kočna-Jezerska Kočna: secured ridge path. Last July some protections damaged in places, but doable without issues. If memory serves, only one slightly annoying passage through chimney just before Jezerska Kočna. Path requires somewhat experienced hiker, but no really big difficulties.
5. Jezerska Kočna-Dolška škrbina-Dolci:
To the belly no issues, the belly itself more unusual than demanding. Follows quite high and steep gully just above Dolška škrbina (between junctions to Češka koča and Grintovec), which at least on descent properly nasty. About 20m straight down climbing without protections. One of key spots of the tour. At bottom of this gully branch to Grintovec, if energy left, extend the path. On to Dolci bit on easy rocks, then just full gas down scree. Enjoyment.
6. Dolci-Ovnov čir-Kokrsko sedlo: here too terrain steep and path narrow, but if no total stupidity, no problems. But the downside of this path extra 200m elevation from Dolci to Streha.
7. Kokrsko sedlo-Suhadolnik: bp. Choose one of the two paths (I took old one).
That's about Kočna from south. Must admit agree with domch. Serious and complete tour, but to me also very nice and recommendable. Most people recommend Kočna mainly from north, but I liked southern too. And also: even if doing connecting tour Kočna-Grintovec, recommend not start in Kamniška Bistrica, but at Suhadolnik, precisely because of possible shortcut through Grdi graben.
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panda28. 04. 2013 08:27:06
jax: very nicely written. For Grdi graben I'd say only this: everything somehow still goes, but on descent into it they could string a cable, since it's extremely dangerously exposed all together.
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Branee13. 06. 2013 17:06:08
Anyone got any close-up pics of Kočna? Interested in off-trail - climbing fun over little gates..

PS: for cams those around pics from current conditions I know.. So not looking for that. If anyone has something like that not up here and actual, recommend.
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Branee15. 06. 2013 22:13:19
To give visitors some info.. Path dry to scree above bivouac then need ice axe and crampons. Today snow was hard, compacted up top. Below 2x precise "tongue" of remaining snow, which is much friendlier for walking so really no need for winter gear there. Grdi graben dry as pepper. Some trees fallen at precise but nothing really obstructing.
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PV3. 07. 2013 22:23:44
Please info on path to Kočna from Suhadolnik over Grdi graben. Interested if there's still any snow somewhere that would prevent safe passage without winter gear? If someone hiked there recently, thanks in advance.

Peter
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redbull3. 07. 2013 23:23:36
I was there 7.6. and only needed ice axe--but only to look for fixed ropes under snow--now probably dont need anymore- snow on scree from bivouac up probably all gone-and ropes are out from Kokrska to Jezerska Kočna.
http://www.mojalbum.com/dejanstasy/kokrska-in-jezerska-kocna-7-6-13

cheers

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PV4. 07. 2013 07:54:54
Thanks.
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skala1234. 08. 2013 08:39:43
Yesterday nice circular tour (Jezersko-Češka koča-Grintovec-Dolška škrbina-Jezerska Kočna-Češka koča). The path is very varied, enough protection but the path is very crumbly, obligatory helmet. Nice greetings.
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katja8712. 08. 2013 11:24:21
On Sunday, 11.8.2013, we went to both summits big

We did a circular tour: Ravenska Kočna - Češka koča - Frischauf path - Mlinarsko sedlo - Grintovec - Zdolška škrbina - Jezerska Kočna - Kremžarjeva path - Češka koča - Ravenska Kočna.

The tour was extremely nice and varied, it took us 12 hours. Most of the path is climbing, on more exposed places well protected. We had a via ferrata set with us but used it only at two places, the rest of the path was more in the way. No snow on the path.

Pictures from the hike can be viewed on the website of PD Matica Murska Sobota: http://www.mojalbum.com/pdmaticams/20130811-grintovec-in-jezerska-kocna/razgled-na-kocno-grintovec-in-kalski-greben-od-leve-proti-desni/20989386
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Domch12. 08. 2013 22:16:24
Congratulations, nice tour and nice pics. Is there any awkward section for descent on the path from Grintovec towards Kočna in the direction of Dolška škrbina?
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jax13. 08. 2013 00:39:42
Lots of grit, but nothing particularly difficult. Actually, the hardest part is the ridge around Dolska škrbina, which has two steep sections (especially the second awkward and unprotected), but you climb them upwards in the direction Grintovec-Kočna.
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katja8714. 08. 2013 09:51:39
Thanks wink

As jax already wrote, the most unpleasant thing is just that it's quite crumbly due to grit, so extra caution is not amiss.
On harder and more exposed parts there are protections, so no problem. The ridge is quite wide, so no need to fear wink

Safe steps on the path big
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bos5. 07. 2016 20:39:54
Does anyone have info on current conditions on the path Kokrsko sedlo - Dolci - Jezerska Kočna and Zdolška škrbina - Grintovec, mainly if the paths are dry or if there is still some snow?
Thanks in advance
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iUnknown6. 07. 2016 10:49:35
I flew last Saturday morning between Grintovec and Kalska gora and I have everything recorded.
I didn't go behind Grintovec (western side), but from afar it didn't look like there was any snow. Also behind Grintovec it doesn't look like there's any. True, I didn't fly over the summit of Grintovec.
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bos6. 07. 2016 11:13:32
Thanks, but I need more precise info from someone who walked it, as we plan with my 9-year-old son to do Kokrsko sedlo - Kočna - Grintovec - Kokrsko sedlo, so the path must be completely dry.
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redbull6. 07. 2016 12:12:45
The path can't be completely dry, under Grintovec (north side) there's definitely still a snow patch. I'm not saying it's problematic, but snow is surely still there. The sun doesn't reach there.

good luck
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onsight8. 07. 2016 15:14:48
Does anyone have info about snow on Kremžar path to Kočna? Is the path from Češka koča to Kočna via Kremžar path dry?
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KJ8. 07. 2016 16:49:25
The path is dry, no winter gear needed, walked yesterday - 7.7.
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onsight8. 07. 2016 17:47:22
Thanks, KJ.nasmeh
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