Collection of parking fees
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| VanSims24. 07. 2010 11:35:58 |
I personally avoid paying parking fees, both municipal and private.
But tell me, those who pay at private parking lots and roads(Savica, Vrata, Blato, Vršič, Mangart,...), do you get some receipt, invoice,... for it?
Already those who think this money goes for some great development are naive,...the devil takes all some private guy. But does the state at least get its VAT? And if we don't get an invoice with precisely specified VAT, doesn't that somehow mean we don't have to pay? Warden service also has no authority on private parking lots, as far as I know.
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| katjuša224. 07. 2010 13:55:09 |
If you go to Mangart of course you get a parking receipt. Money goes I think it says up there "Razvojni zadrugi Mangart". Last year it was 5€. And it wasn't hard for me to give, since the road is asphalted and nicely drivable.
When I go to Vršič, or rather for hiking start I take Vršič, but avoid payment by parking a bit lower.
If I go from Planina Blato, of course I also pay, since they also have quite a nicely arranged road and renovate it through. But their students who collect the money annoy me, you get only a slip with number, and they can be quite rude, unlike the youth who collect money at Mangart, they are a real encyclopedia of knowledge and advice,...
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| GregorC24. 07. 2010 14:17:00 |
Everywhere I got an invoice on which both VAT and the collector's name were clearly marked. And nowhere was it hard for me to pay.
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| turbo24. 07. 2010 15:33:14 |
HEINZ !!!
Regarding the payment order you received before the barrier in Zadnjica, the wardens are right. Unfortunately  . When you turn from the main road onto gravel, after a few dozen meters on the right there's a relatively large gravel parking lot. A few meters ahead, when you cross the water drain channel, there's a traffic sign "crossed P" on the right. That sign means no parking. And that's all the way to the barrier. You can drive to the barrier, no problem, you can stop briefly to drop someone off, but you can't park due to the sign at the start of Zadnjica. Wardens are always there, they handed out fines even for May Day holidays. And it might happen they'll soon put a barrier right at the valley start, right after that initial gravel parking. Info from first hand, from locals there. And then I'll walk, like I do in summer from Planica to Tamar 
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| VanSims24. 07. 2010 15:47:16 |
TURBO !!!
In the set of valid traffic signs in RS territory there is NO "crossed P" sign. So that sign means nothing!
No parking is marked by another traffic sign: blue with red border and lines crossed at right angles (this also prohibits stopping) and same sign but with one red line only. And even these signs apply only to the road side where they are placed or must have supplementary plate for both sides.
Abroad they have paid parking too but clearly mark with valid signs where no parking is allowed. Here it's the wild west!
HEINZ, if I were you I'd do everything so you wouldn't have to pay the fine including making a fuss in all possible media.
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| GregorC24. 07. 2010 16:04:37 |
TURBO is right. He just described the wrong sign. In Zadnjica there's the sign as VanSims described.
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| VanSims24. 07. 2010 16:36:30 |
Then Heinz probably has no choice but to pay. 
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| heinz24. 07. 2010 19:45:21 |
No parking prohibition sign there for sure. Yesterday there wasn't. There's "Triglav National Park - central area" sign and others - no camping etc., but no traffic sign for no parking.
If I'm wrong, let someone prove otherwise, as I want to know where I really messed up, if I did..
Thanks!
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| Otto24. 07. 2010 19:53:52 |
I too got similar notice about a year ago in Možnica. There too, except small sign on open barrier, I noticed no no-parking or no-driving sign anywhere. I watched carefully on return. Then nothing came of the fine. But it spoiled great trip to Jerebica and took a day studying laws and preparing appeal.
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| Gorazd G24. 07. 2010 20:18:59 |
In TNP law it says that in whole park prohibited "to camp, park and leave motor vehicles or trailers for staying outside designated places."
If I understand right, that means parking in TNP prohibited unless sign specifically allows it. Parking before barrier in Zadnjica is in TNP ...
That control and fining mostly not done so far and we left cars elsewhere all years, we know, but obviously new times come and "wild west" slowly goes away.
Prohibition from first paragraph still from old TNP law I found on map. Recently new law adopted. If someone wants to go through it find at this address:
http://www.uradni-list.si/1/objava.jsp?urlid=201052&stevilka=2821
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| heinz24. 07. 2010 20:49:17 |
About parking (prohibition) speaks only small sign on upright pole (forgot to photograph) by barrier on right road to Zadnjica. Before it simply none. None at all. Towards left road at parking there's no-driving sign with supp. plate "Forest path use at own risk", on the (left) barrier itself seemingly official (though I don't know such) blue rectangular plate "no park" with arrows indicating 4m width.
As far as I know, usually no-parking applies from road-placed traffic sign onwards not before.
Turbo and GregorC, only sign before parking is ordinary blue square parking sign located where turbo mentions, just he talks of crossed P. Which of course isn't, even if turbo supposedly informed "first hand".
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| heinz24. 07. 2010 21:09:25 |
Gorazd, traffic wardens don't refer to TNP law (at least not directly), but to ZVCP (attach photo).
I too first thought of new TNP law.., but I think that's not it.
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| jurc4424. 07. 2010 21:09:35 |
Heinz, you are completely right. Yesterday I got warden notice in Zadnjica. When you turn from main road towards Zadnjica up to parking on your pics no sign about no parking.
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| viharnik24. 07. 2010 21:14:00 |
This probably means that from the barrier installation site onwards along the valley, on or next to the road vehicles must not be left, due to possible forestry service, mountain rescue, fire brigade and food delivery to the cargo cableway for Pogačnikov dom. Nothing controversial about the rest if we leave the car in the parking lot. In case of possible abolition of driving into Triglav National Park valleys (which is not planned in Vanoise park-France either and there are no parking fees, neither in valleys nor on highest passes), the ban will apply to all valleys of Triglav massif.
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| serajko24. 07. 2010 21:46:44 |
hi
a question arises for me. On the raised barrier which is not locked hangs a stop sign. Red hexagon with white border and inscription stop. Without warning or additional signs. Usually this sign stands at intersections and does not prohibit driving. What to do in such a case
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| andymann24. 07. 2010 21:57:36 |
such barriers exist sometimes at border crossings, say on Pakistan-India border.
If barrier is lowered, you wait for border soldier, show him passport, then he raises barrier and lets you pass. But if barrier is already raised, in my opinion no need to stop.
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| zippo25. 07. 2010 09:51:16 |
Raised barriers are to be feared more than lowered ones! I'll tell two experiences.
By rule all owners, weekenders, foresters etc who have barrier key should lock it right behind them. Not all are consistent unfortunately and unsuspecting visitor can quickly get trapped. This way I was once locked above station B on Kanin. Luckily despite dusk some friendly local was found who then drove me few km back and unlocked it. Anyway after that I no longer drove past raised barrier
Last year on Jezersko I ran into two mushroom pickers who were also locked by someone in evening. It's road leading past partisan hospital Krtina towards former guardhouse. For this spot I've heard several times that someone from quarry before barrier (supposedly younger guy) does it purposely - opens barrier when sees someone entered, then locks and probably enjoys situation people get into. At this location according to innkeeper tires have been slashed several times but perpetrator never caught "in flagranti".
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| serajko25. 07. 2010 17:16:29 |
Hi
Exactly on Jezersko there is such a variant, only not in the direction of the hospital but in the Kanonir-Tekarica direction (towards Storžič). The "stop" sign bothers me, not the no-driving ban.
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| GregorC25. 07. 2010 18:01:17 |
Heinz, before the parking lot there really is no such sign. It is located soon after you turn from the Vršiška road into the Zadnjica valley. But I find it strange, this notice of yours from the warden. I was there last Saturday and parked a bit below the ramp you pictured. Just then a TNP warden was there too, but I didn't see him do anything about parking. Nor, on my return to the valley, did I notice anyone with a notice anywhere. But today I observed in Bohinj one warden with what zeal he was photographing and writing fines by the lake.
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| Gorazd G25. 07. 2010 18:15:15 |
Heinz, thanks for the explanation. Wow, you really have bad luck. Mostly you reveal beauties above Jesenice to us, then you drive to Primorska and get a "greeting".
About ramps. I advise you not to drive past closed ramps, no matter if there is a "stop" sign next to them, or one for no driving, or anything else. Under Kepa, for example, it says like this:
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/objave/sulc/groznja.jpg
I myself many years ago in the evening had to run to the village (in Kal-Koritnica) and find the owner with the key. Apparently he didn't do it on purpose, but that helped me little at the time ...
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