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Viš/Jof Fuart

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sla5. 07. 2012 08:49:46
Has anyone gone to Viš via the NE scree recently and knows what the snow patch at the entrance is like and the condition of the path?
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Janez Seliškar5. 07. 2012 08:52:43
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sla5. 07. 2012 09:09:07
Thanks a lot! Super nasmeh
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rb019. 07. 2012 00:24:00
Yesterday we climbed to Viš via the Anita Goitan path. Around Mala špica we went along the southern side. Descent to Corsi and onwards across Viška planina to the car at the barrier went along the usual path to Viš.
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ibex24. 07. 2012 18:26:16
viš, 23.7.
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orkan24. 07. 2012 18:58:06
Hi; I'm interested in the conditions on the GOLA NE path to Viš.
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ibex24. 07. 2012 19:33:24
we didn't go to Gola NE (we came from rif corsi to anite goitan path and circled back towards rif corsi), but as far as can be seen from the path, no more snow on the north side, and whether the ferrata is passable I don't know...mežikanje
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orkan28. 07. 2012 21:38:11
Today we climbed to Viš via GOLA NE path. Path secured at the most essential spots, otherwise nice. Descent to Prednje špranje notch to bivak Mazzeni and on to Zajzero. Interesting but strenuous path, from car to summit and back 10.5 hours.
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urbancek2. 08. 2012 22:14:16
Yesterday did a tour around Viš:
Parking lot no. 2 - Pellarini - Northeast couloir - Viš - Zadnje špranje notch - Koštrunove špice - Prednje špranje notch - descent to Chersi path - Nabojs saddle - Pellarini - back to start. Strenuous and quite adventurousvelik nasmeh tour, but what can I do if I always like Zajzera and its surrounding peaksvelik nasmeh.
Condition of the fixed protections on the GOLA NE climbing path is in my opinion shameful in places and not worthy of a marked hiking path (though for now they still serve and you can pass normally), but what do we expect, that's the philosophy of equipping/maintaining paths by our neighbors. Anyway, whoever wants to climb let them, if someone doesn't like something let them turn back hehevelik nasmeh. Weather on summits wasn't clear at all, lower the sun pressed hard several times, especially when climbing back towards Sedlo Nabojs. As usual lately the mountain weather was best in the afternoon and evening when it cleared almost everywhereeekzavijanje z očmivelik nasmeh Nice mountain greetings!
Morning in Zajzera.1
The pyramid rises proudly :)2
Slowly ascending towards the junction for the path via Severovzhodni debri.3
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Ascent along the cable...5
Impressive rock formations.6
One of the cables for the special category :)7
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Well secured.9
One gets an eyeful of boulders.10
For me personally the most difficult spot on the path.11
Already out of the rock...12
Local residents :)13
Mountains around Corsi hut try to retain the fogs :)14
Walker m/f at the top.15
At the top nothing new, calm as always.16
Temporary clearing.17
Koštrun peaks.18
Descending towards Škrbina prednje špranje.19
Quite unpleasant descent...20
Here already lower...21
A little descent, then a little uphill again :)22
From this side it is really mighty.23
The sun was merciless here :)24
Another chamois, for a change :)25
Nice view.26
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Cloud accumulation.28
Towards Montaž.29
Interesting shapes of nature.30
Not at all pleasant terrain for tired legs :)31
A little more..32
Greet me at the saddle.33
Back towards koča Pellarini.34
I say goodbye to the pyramid :)35
One last look...36
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dprapr2. 08. 2012 23:03:44
Nice way you circled it!
For me years ago the hardest spot was on your ninth picture. The jump was wet, from it hung a short wire or prusik and no other protection. There were pitons in the upper part for belaying by pitches.
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urbancek2. 08. 2012 23:10:48
Yeah dprapr, I believe it was even harder back then with different and differently placed protections. Otherwise I'd say this trail is some kind of link between via ferrata and free climbing, since it's really neither one nor the other but as said something in betweenvelik nasmeh.
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mirank4. 08. 2012 14:29:12
urbancek, you have ZS
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IgorZlodej4. 08. 2012 18:02:50
It's not about the philosophy of marking and equipping paths with our neighbors, they have it well done, so the comment is completely out of place.
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urbancek4. 08. 2012 19:06:49
The fact that marked hiking trails or at least parts of them in the Italian Julian Alps are often not maintained, I don't know if that's exactly a good philosophy. And I'm not thinking only of this trail now (it's still okay compared to what I've seen, anyway it doesn't have much protection at all...).
Should they leave the mountain as it is, if they've already decided to make some path, then they should maintain it... No problem, just they could decide what they want...velik nasmeh Not that the mountains are full of rusty dangerous remains (and I don't mean those from the warvelik nasmeh), and cables pinched from rocks held together by one or two wires (AND IN USE!!?) and so on and so forth...zavijanje z očmi They do have a bit more mountains than us he he, that's true...velik nasmeh

P.S: And to avoid misunderstanding. We also have in Slovenia at some places totally wrongly equipped trails, since I've seen kilograms and kilograms of iron where you actually wouldn't need hands to progress at all... So no one thinks we're superior. But as for hiking markings and path equipping we're in most cases far ahead of our neighbors. Just my opinion... I don't know why Mr. Igor Zlodej doesn't respect individuals' personal opinions?eekeek
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IgorZlodej4. 08. 2012 20:24:12
Whoever knows the history of this path knows why it's like that, the others thoughzavijanje z očmi
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klm4. 08. 2012 21:13:48
As Mr. Zlodej said, one needs to be familiar with the history of this path. As for equipping and marking paths within individual CAI sections that cover certain areas of the mountain range, they can be an example and it's inappropriate to criticize them.
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jax4. 08. 2012 21:39:24
Okay, with all due respect to Igor, here I wouldn't agree with him either. First regarding Gola NE - I haven't been there yet, but as far as I know it's actually a path that basically follows traces from the first war, then along that direction they've basically just marked the passage as the easiest way through the wall and secured it only at the hardest spots, so that you can get through without special mountaineering skills anyway, the thing is partly meant as a descent route for alpinists, and at the same time ordinary hikers walk it too. Now, how that's connected to maintaining this path and if there's anything in the middle, I don't know. But I do know that not long ago the condition was very bad even at the key spot and for quite a few years you had to climb a 4 there, before they got around to fixing it.
As for the general state of marked and secured paths in Italy, especially in their Julians, unfortunately I have to side more with Urbanček than with Igor. I'll give one example that bugs me quite a bit personally (because it draws me there, but in such conditions I somehow don't dare): Sentiero Battaglione Gemona along the ridge of Naborje Mountains above Dunja. But - unlike Gola NE - this isn't just a marked passage, but a marked and numbered path under CAI (I think CAI Pontebba, but don't quote me), which crosses a nice ridge with historical significance, on which there are also two bivouacs, and which can make a very nice connecting tour. Well, there was a landslide on this path, if I remember right in 2005, and since then the path is closed, and as far as I know it's already collapsing in several places, but no one has thought to renew it yet. And yes, I dare say that on the Slovenian side something like that would have been done quite a bit faster.
I've usually explained this by location - simple fact is that the Julians are total periphery for Italians, but key mountain group for us. And that shows in visits too - when you go somewhere to the Julians across the border, you mostly meet only Slovenians. Simply, we Slovenians are more attached to these mountains, Italian mountain lovers however prefer to go further west. And there the paths are better maintained too ...
So, that's just my opinion, but I really think that in Italy, at least in the Julians, path maintenance is often not up to the level it is in Slovenia. Maybe my feeling is wrong ...
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Keko4. 08. 2012 22:02:44
Yeah, if the Julians really don't interest Italians that much, why would they then care for mountain paths just for us little Slovenians?
On the other hand, when you've explored the Julians on our side, those on the other side of the border offer additional challenge precisely because there's less protection and also less crowded and more pristine. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that.
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ljubitelj gora4. 08. 2012 23:43:39
@jax: Marked secured climbing path and a four, those two don't go together, since something similar is the ridge between Vevnica and Poncam (border), half torn, if you grab some cable then better check first if it's safe to hang on at all. Plus a rope partner, rope and knowledge of rope technique and it'll be fine.
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klm5. 08. 2012 09:46:26
Naborje Mountains, and Dunja in general are a special problem due to the geological composition of the rocks - which is evident from countless landslides that happen there year after year. CAI 649 is eroded in several places, not just under Piparji and has also been abandoned by CAI. So no expectation that they will renew the protections on the artificially carved ledge below the higher of the Two Spires. Then there are some eroded spots in the Cuel del Pez area, under Brdo (Monte Sechiez or Berda) the passage over the collapsed gully is also quite tricky. Given the historical "significance" of this path, its picturesqueness, it seems unacceptable that such paths are not maintained or repaired, but the CAI section from Tabla, responsible for its maintenance, simply lacks financial means for its renewal - also considering how the trail is subject to erosion and given the extremely rare number of visitors. I'm quite often in those parts, but actually only Poldašnja Špica from Rudni Vrh gets visits, Piparji only via path no. 648, same for Dve Špici, then practically no visits anymore. Gosadon is deserted, same Cuel del Pez, Dunjski Vrh is practically solitary - from the hamlet Prerit near Dunja there's a picturesque path to its summit, but it's obvious that at most a dozen people visit it per year via that path. Maybe Lipnik stands out a bit due to the nearby starting point at Planina Poccat and the saddle Bieliga on the other side. But that's it.
And similar story with CAI 651, which ran through the entire Dunja valley. From Rifugio Fili Grego to Dunja it's still okay, and along the forest road too, then further it's a real adventure across landslides, fallen trees, broken gullies... same with CAI 655...
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