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| tinky16. 01. 2015 17:06:49 |
To me, the heights of the Mojstrovkas were never clear either. Velika should have 2366, Mala 2332, Zadnja 2354 m. In any case, praises for the trip.
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| sirt116. 01. 2015 18:38:50 |
Ben - then don't correct correct information! Also on this side at the beginning of the Grebenc there are Vratca.
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| ben16. 01. 2015 19:01:15 |
@sirt1, I don't know where you got that info? According to Mihelič it's "saddle in Grebenc", and also on the Julijske Alpe 1:500000 eastern part map, nowhere is it written....probably you have data I don't know?? And also: not Vratca but Vratica (1807m)!!
LP B
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| sirt116. 01. 2015 19:10:41 |
In Gorenjska there are no Vratica at all but Vratca everywhere, even if you and Mihelič stand on your heads!
www.planinske-poti.si
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| zobkiii16. 01. 2015 19:17:11 |
Hello everyone! Thanks to all for praises and critiques. I take all into account for the future!  Now looking at the map of the path to Mala Mojstrovka. If memory serves, from Vršič I went left towards the gully described on the map as 'Vratca' or from Vršič is there some other path? I'm not accusing anyone, just good to know..
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| ben16. 01. 2015 19:20:08 |
No... you have your conviction, I'm already standing on my head 
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| ben16. 01. 2015 19:25:08 |
zobkii, if you looked at that map then you're not in any mistake, although that pass is wrongly marked according to my conviction! To MM there are also two paths, one over Nad Šitom glavo and one via the very difficult Hanzova path.
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| zobkiii16. 01. 2015 19:26:22 |
For my sake there's no need to stand on your head.. I didn't discover warm water.  maybe then the map needs to be updated so we won't write wrong descriptions..
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| ben16. 01. 2015 19:29:08 |
zobkii, I'm not standing on my head for you, but sirt1 sent me there
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| sirt116. 01. 2015 19:33:24 |
I sent you there because of the distortion of the nice name Vratca!
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| sirt117. 01. 2015 20:20:55 |
Map - Triglav National Park 1:50 000 PZS
Where are your vratica?
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| JusAvgustin18. 01. 2015 09:34:12 |
Tell that to Kugy and Mihelič...
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| B218. 01. 2015 13:54:17 |
On the Jalovec and Mangart map 1:25 000 Slovenian Alpine Association - 2004 edition (Surveying and Mapping Authority of Slovenia) Vratca (1983m) is marked. It's clear this is the passage above the scree, above Tičarjev dom, through which the marked alpine path to Little Mojstrovka passes.
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| Janez Seliškar18. 01. 2015 15:03:00 |
The naming of field points was present long, long before any map. But since language is alive, individual terms also change over time. They know why surveyors don't follow the original names.
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| jax18. 01. 2015 17:31:34 |
Here's a better question: why are the rules of Slovenian phonetics used so selectively in transcribing proper names. Because if we assume that there are no Vratica, only Vratca, then there's no Kranj, Tržič or Begunje either, only Kran, Tržč and Begunje. I mean, local dialect is one thing, but standard Slovenian has its own rules too. Now, why the name Vratca got established in some places, Vratica elsewhere - obviously inconsistency of surveyors.
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| sirt120. 01. 2015 09:51:54 |
One last time on this topic: this is what the Dictionary of Standard Slovenian Language says!
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| Zebdi20. 01. 2015 10:10:34 |
sirt1, here I don't know if SSKJ is the right reference. It even says that Brežice don't exist - but we all know that's not true 
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| SamoK20. 01. 2015 10:14:44 |
Zebdi, can you exactly indicate where in SSKJ it says that Brežice don't exist. Thanks.
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