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marea27. 08. 2008 17:17:33
I really apologize to everyone again... I'm sorry ... my writing is sincere.. unfortunately misunderstood.. and I stand by every word written.. at 42 I first stepped in front of the walls of local climbing areas with company.. I'm in such company.. sometimes someone lets me.. when they're too tired, I hang a bit on the rope.. God is my witness, I've already cried from terror in the wall... sworn never again... but I didn't... because I want to overcome this terrible fear of heights.. it was similar at Kamnik saddle too.. on the snowfield before the ascent with cables I was all teary because I was afraid to cross the snow ... he barely convinced me to go on.. not to mention the exposed path back... but I want to face this fear.. and I'll try.. I don't know how successful I'll be.. everyone around me is tired of my monologues about mountains.. etc.. I wanted to share feelings with you.. I thought someone would understand me.. but sadly not, I'm really sad... and I really didn't mean anything bad... I've never been athletic.. it wasn't my thing in life.. until now.. I'm trying to change that.. in many ways.. got rid of extra 26 kilos.. move as much as possible... also by going where I wouldn't have dared even in dreams before..


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ss27. 08. 2008 22:32:28
Go whine all together on some other page, not on this forum!
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IvoŠ28. 08. 2008 12:59:38
What did anyone do to you by a little "whining" about their doubts and feelings before the unknown??
SS, strange name, reminds me of times of great intolerance to those thinking differently, LP!!
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ss28. 08. 2008 18:01:44
zadrega
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jprim28. 08. 2008 19:23:15
MAREA!
I'm thinking and pondering whether to voice my opinion or not. So far only male members have given you advice, I believe men often have a harder time understanding us women than we think, I understand you, since we're similar in quite a few things, losing weight, getting rid of extra cca 20 KG, trying to maintain that weight with various activities and at mature age 45, discovering the magic of mountains.
What was my start like, first easy paths (Peca, Stol, Begunjščica, ...) in between the third tour to Storžič via Kališče, the easiest path, where in the rocks around 1800 I panicked, panic attack, morale at bottom ..., I returned escorted by some female hiker back home, husband continued to the top, imagine my ego, how I felt ... horror ... But since I'm stubborn by nature to a point and persistent - that's for real, after a good month we went to Storžič second time, this time via Škarje, husband didn't tell me until the top that of course the path via Kališče is much easier, this year a month ago, again ascent to Storžič via climbing path, through Žrelo, but husband says he wants to see how I'll manage also via Kališče.nasmeh
What I actually want to say, start with easier paths, then gradually increase, that's what we do, although it wouldn't be a problem for husband, of course without me, to skip to something harder, last we climbed over Konj, I wish for Kopinškova too. Knees hurt us terribly last year too, so we bought knee supports, this year less often or almost not, since we strengthened the hamstrings that have to brake the most downhill, last year we added an hour to tour times, this year often under that time, we know how to hurry, how to rest and enjoy properly. This year we started walking a bit off-path, very interesting, no doubt ... I wish you success in achieving your goals, of course your husband stands by you, same for me, watch yourself and even when it's tight he relies a bit on me, I know he's great support, first of all mentally, I think those who started mountaineering much younger than us didn't have or know such problems. With will and stubbornness, and of course sense, much is achieved.
LP Jelči
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Janez5229. 08. 2008 08:59:36
If you're afraid of steep paths, collect less exposed ones for the start. From my experience, fear of heights is also linked to physical fitness; better fitness means more self-confidence, more self-confidence means you bear exposed paths easier. You get used to steepness slowly too, a bit "accustom" yourself, since one positive experience boosts self-confidence. But if you're among the vertiginous, there's no sense going on too exposed paths. Choose such paths that at the end of the day you say it was nice (opinion during the path doesn't count, because one sometimes asks multiple times what sense slogging up the hill has). And courageously forward
Janez
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marea1. 09. 2008 15:19:15
On Sunday I was on Turska gora. There on the summit there was sun, up close I watched a herd of ibex and also a herd of chamois. Unforgettable and I won't add unnecessary words, because those who experienced it don't need comments, because words are too kitschy to describe it...
Through Turski žleb I walked confidently, I was only afraid of the upper scree at the exit from Turski žleb..and that for downhill..much more than the wires. But I'll overcome that too, because there's no way back when you see what's up there.
And thanks to all who understand me, thanks Jelči.
Kotliči will wait for next time..they won't escape!
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jprim1. 09. 2008 18:12:38
Marea!
This year I "processed" Turka gora via Žmavčarje, then via Pode and via climbing over Sleme, to the bivouac under Grintavec, to Kokrsko sedlo and down to the valley. Where it poured for an hour.
I know another wonderful path, the path to Kalska gora and then descent to Kokrsko sedlo and back to the valley to Žagana peč - it can be a one-day trip, you go off-trail, nature wonderful, herd of chamois along the path and more ... Start at Žagana peč, then left on the hunting path, the path is trodden, you can find descriptions too, then join the marked one a bit higher, wonderful, unforgettable, although downhill there are wires and pegs, but practice makes master.
I myself trained self-belaying on Konjiška gora - climbing path to Skalo ... for next year we plan this path that you walked, as this year it seems a bit late to me.
I was sure you were in the mountains this weekend and that you would succeed. And best regards.
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Fifi27. 03. 2009 14:10:28
Marea! well one more comment that will kill you.

1. instead of wasting time and writing whole novels here on the net you could already be on Triglavvelik nasmeh

2. so that Kotliči don't get you first!

3. nice that you made it to turska gora something that wasn't in thoughts and words!

so good luck on the path! choose wisely! life is only one!

now we've made an elephant out of a fly from this topic hehehe! as if the hills are some boo boo!
good for those extreme ones. otherwise I think the mountain paths in Slovenia are quite safe even for recruits!

4. we don't prove our abilities because that quickly gets you into serious trouble!
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PrimozH8. 06. 2010 14:27:53
Hi,

I'm interested if anyone walked through Kotliči towards Turska Gora in the last week and what the conditions on the path are like?

Thanks in advance!
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geppo9. 06. 2010 12:56:02
I remembered a photo I took on 5.6.2010. Take an ice axe with you!!
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PrimozH9. 06. 2010 14:03:25
Thanks geppo!

I'll have ice axe and crampons with me anyway, I just wanted to know if I need a shovel too, to dig out the bottomless barrel velik nasmeh
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geppo9. 06. 2010 14:59:39
PrimozH
Nice path, enjoy and be careful!
Regards
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zabica6. 10. 2010 14:00:56
Does anyone maybe know what the path through Kotliči is like now? Has anyone gone through recently? Somewhere I read that those floods at the beginning of September made the path additionally difficult (or partially washed away?!?) Any info welcome nasmeh
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garmont13. 09. 2011 19:37:41
Today I went past the hut at Okrešelj to Brana and via Kotliči to Turska gora, and descended through Turski žleb.
The path to Brana itself without peculiarities, Kotliči though are a chapter of their own. The path is unpleasantly cluttered with scree, on the crossing from the western to the eastern notch part of the path is waiting for heavier rain to rumble into the valley. In short, through Kotliči with all caution to the top of Turska gora. The bottomless barrel is still there, today I noticed for the first time a big hole in Turska gora, right below the barrel. Followed by descent through the gully and happily to the valley.
Regards
Kotliči1
On the path to the lowest point of Kotliči2
Steep ascent towards the notch3
Large window in Turska gora4
In a bottomless barrel5
Steep section in Turski žleb6
In the wall of Mala Rinka7
Above the Rinka waterfall8
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geppo5. 10. 2014 23:15:55
Turski žleb /Kotliči/Brana/Kamniško sedlo/ Okrešelj
After a long time on this path in the company of pleasant friends. Circular path that requires some fitness and time – definitely worth it, because it rewards you with the beauties of this part of KSA. Maybe a bit tedious in Kotliči, where scree and piled stones require caution on descent. Well, each to their own…? The group I was with confidently overcame all difficulties on the path and returned satisfied, a bit tired to the starting point under the waterfall. You can tell they also have the mileage that the tireless Stanko takes care of, who despite night shift drives a considerable number of km, walks the described path and then safely brings them home. There are few such…cool.
We started at the parking under the waterfall at 7:30 and at approx. 11 stood at the top of T. žleb. After snack at 11:50 we stood at the top of Turska gora. We crossed Kotliči around 13 and at 14:40 stood at the cross on top of Brana. During the path variable weather: fog/sun/sun/fog, no wind though.. We were lucky that it all accompanied us at moments and didn't cause special problems. No snow on the path, torn wire in T. žlebu didn't cause us problems, as the replacement rope is sufficient.
At 18:30 we stood at the parking under the waterfall, refreshed with drinks that waited in the car and summed up impressions of the all-day tour. All satisfied and happy with the progress of some participants who with mileage become real mountaineers.
Nicely used autumn day. Autumn already shows in its colors. Late afternoon hours at Okrešelj are already quite low temperature-wise…
regards

Morning at Okrešelj.1
Rudi in action.2
Torn steel cable.3
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Air under the soles.5
Turski žleb.6
Unpleasant scree before exiting the gully.7
View towards Turska gora.8
Towards the summit of Turska.9
Bottomless seat.10
Bottomless seat.11
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Kotliči.13
Kotliči.14
View from Brana.15
View from Brana16
View from Brana17
View towards Kotliči on the way from Brana18
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pika6. 10. 2014 10:28:35
Nice Zlatko, luckily we didn't pay too much attention to the weather forecast and didn't miss such a wonderful day mežikanje.
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stankoju6. 10. 2014 11:27:18
Alenka, you're rightnasmeh,according to the weather forecast we should have been wrapped in thick fog all daymrk pogled, but we didn't give up on the weather and were rewarded with the beauties of mountains shining in the sunvelik nasmeh and surrounded by mistsmežikanje. I'm also adding some pics from the tour described by Zlatko (geppo).
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towards Turski žleb6
Mrzla gora7
in Turski žleb8
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view into Logarska13
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path to Turska g.15
team at the top of Turska gora16
descent towards Kotliči17
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bottomless barrel19
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Kotliči in the fog23
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exit from Kotliči towards Brana25
path to Brana26
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cross at the top of Brana29
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towards Ljubljana31
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Grintovec, Skuta and Rinke from Turska gora34
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Kamniško sedlo36
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Kotliči38
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Turska gora40
descent towards Okrešelj41
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descent to Okrešelj43
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GRS Celje shelter46
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JTrogar6. 10. 2014 11:37:23
Congratulations to all participants for the completed tour. It was really nice yesterday in the mountains.
Best regards and safe steps to all from under beautiful Golte, Janez
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geppo6. 10. 2014 12:33:08
PLEASANT FEELING
Pleasant feeling. When you're high up somewhere and look to the other side and you know! There, in that rock, wall, is someone you know, your friend. With him, you've already walked some.
For a moment you think - how's he/them doing..?
When you reach cell signal, it buzzes in the backpack. When time comes, you check, see that someone else also thinks of you, your group. Pleasant feelingnasmehnasmeh!!
best
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