Carlo Chersi Alpine Trail
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| 2061alessio21. 09. 2021 18:41:14 |
Welcome back, Bagi. I got Czechs last Sunday because they occupied/camped for many days at bivouac Carnizza di Riofreddo in the cold valley. This constantly happens that Czechs, Slovaks and Poles camp for the whole week at bivouacs in the Julians. It's not fair because bivouacs are meant for possible one-day stay and not for the whole vacation (regardless they are officially inaccessible for 2 years due to COVID). How's the situation with you?
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| grega_z_brega21. 09. 2021 20:44:46 |
In the Kamniks it's the same scene Then they even write how great they're having it.
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| bagi22. 09. 2021 03:59:19 |
Hi Alessio, with us in the high mountains it's also full everywhere. For the weekend, for a week, even more... they pass the keys around. In Carnia I haven't spotted them in bivouacs yet, in the Dolomites neither. The least that can be done is to stick a huge paper on the bivouac door with a warning that one can sleep only one night, clean the bivouac and obligatorily take the trash away. The warning must of course also be in all the mentioned Slavic languages .
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| 2061alessio22. 09. 2021 19:35:04 |
Waste of paper, probably illiterate (no offense, joking). Of Slovak language unfortunately I know only "Staropramen" or is it actually Czech. The problem is if you plan to overnight in the bivouac to continue the tour the next day, you have no access at all, occupied . OK if it happens once but not so often, perhaps some agency directs them.
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| dprapr22. 09. 2021 21:00:20 |
Never understood why bivouacs are built under hills accessible in one day. On the other hand, they should be for shelter in bad weather. We all know it's not so. Most go there to "meditate" and on vacation, as you point out. Only a few bivouacs still serve alpinists climbing walls above them. That was originally their purpose. I remember some were locked. So not meant for emergency shelter. Now more and more neat, attractive bivouacs are being built. And if they are always open, how will you prevent vacationing? Hard. Those who diligently charge fines at tour starting points could sometimes walk up there and check how long someone has been settled in the bivouac and charge overnights if needed. But where's the line? One day, two days, a week? If not clearly defined and sanctioned in case of violation, nothing will come of all this. Not fair to only condemn foreign mountain visitors.
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| 2061alessio24. 09. 2021 19:39:00 |
I wouldn't want to start a debate, with us "across the border" not far from the bivouacs there are also huts so multi-day stays can be planned there, comparison of visitors who come from far: Poles-Czechs-Slovaks in bivouacs against nearby Italians, Austrians and Slovenes is approximately 5 to 1 (I, since I help with maintenance, see it firsthand) and I never had access trouble from the aforementioned because the whole team comes and you don't get even a corner where to settle; possible solution (with us) would be to lock the bivouacs (since they are from PD and from them we have ONLY costs and NO financial gain) and give the keys to rescuers, for all other visitors via request to PD and personal responsibility, the law will need to be changed and I doubt that.
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| ločanka4. 07. 2022 07:33:47 |
The other part of this trail we owed since last autumn, when we did the path past bivouac Stuparich to Grego hut. Well, we settled that debt on Saturday, though no descriptions from early July on these pages yet. But this year everything can be done sooner, no critical snow patches on the path. We parked at lower parking and headed on nice forest path to head of Zajzera, so didn't even reach upper parking. Whole trail led through really beautiful world, but to me nicest part starts from waterfall falling over wall under snowfield Špika Hude police and continues through larch wood towards Mazzeni bivouac. Larches really many on whole path, beautify screes of Špranje under walls of Poliški Špiki and Viš, they cheer you at top of steep path sections before descents which follow several times before reaching V.Nabojsa saddle. From bivouac on you really enter world of beauty and wilderness, magnificent mountain world where practically meet no one, hear only murmur of water rushing from under Škrbina Zadnje Špranje. Many spots where really can't just go on, must soak all these beauties offered. Meanwhile demanding path sections full of scree and sand, where views only to ground and steps that must be sure and constantly controlled. Yes, path around Turn nad Špranjo all way to Nabojsa saddle is quite demanding, and our opinion more than crossing under Montaž where almost at all critical spots fixed protections, here none. At Pellarini hut we took time for coffee, worth it as you sip admiring Viševa group right there. Then descended under Lastovica walls back to start and exchanged trail impressions for quite long, which strongly enchants but forces serious mood on some sections.
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| 2061alessio5. 07. 2022 17:24:46 |
This board will go to the museum , I'll order a new one, thanks always for the news; nice hike, isn't it?
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| garmont5. 07. 2022 19:16:29 |
Beautiful pics @ločanka. Completely unknown places to me…
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| palček plezalček5. 07. 2022 19:19:21 |
Magical trail, wonderful.  The large landslide visible in pictures 19, 23 and 26 wasn't there during my visit.
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| 2061alessio5. 07. 2022 19:42:58 |
For the memory, 2 years ago
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| dprapr5. 07. 2022 19:58:22 |
That landslide on picture 19 was already there in 2019. NW couloir really starts at picture 43. And they say there's little snow this year. In 2017 compared to picture 42 there was as much. Beautiful areas, no doubt.
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| palček plezalček5. 07. 2022 22:03:31 |
So the landslide happened between August 2018 and your visit in 2019. 
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| bbugari15. 07. 2022 23:39:03 |
Ločanka, what is the condition of the bunks in bivouac Mazzeni, is it possible to sleep there?
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| bbugari115. 07. 2022 15:24:07 |
Now also with photographs: On ločanka's initiative for the weekend I did a three-day walk around Zajzera. First day: Ovčja vas-Pl. Ravna (Zita chapel)-Poldašnja špica-Rudni vrh-koča Grego-Krniška glavica-bivak Stuparich-bivak Mazzeni. Second day: bivak Mazzeni-V. Nabojs-koča Pellarini-Žabniška škrbina-bivak Carnizza. Third day: bivak Carnizza-sedlo Prašnik-Kamniti lovec-cesta-Ovčja vas. Huts were clean and empty, bivak Stuparich tidy, bivak Mazzeni hmmmmmmmm, bivak Carnizza like a hotel... Signposts everywhere destroyed, paths well marked, protections new and OK, but unfortunately unprotected harder scramble up the gully to Poldašnja špica and also one short annoying scramble down from Stuparich. Some signposts really strange: old sign at koča Grego (bivak Mazzeni 3 hours!?!), old sign at koča Pellarini (bivak Stuparich 5 hours!?!) and new sign at sedlo Prašnik (Kamniti lovec 3.45 h!?!?!?). Below bivak Mazzeni still marked path to Škrbina prednje špranje, but isn't it closed (not marked on new Italian maps due to dangerous landslide)? Zajzera, i.e. Špranja and entire Chersi trail really wonderful, beautiful landscape!!! Trail from Stuparich to Mazzeni wild and overgrown, but also well marked and followable. On ascent from Pellarini to Žabniška škrbina part of path rebuilt (and secured) anew due to landslide. Junction to path no. 615 below Lastovicami not marked!
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| ločanka16. 07. 2022 06:20:36 |
bbugari1, great trips you did! We're missing Žabniška škrbina-bivak Carnizza from that. You gave the idea for that bivak!
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