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Avalanche equipment

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tol10. 02. 2010 20:37:01
Sadly the debate isn't going in the right direction. Namely towards finding an answer if an inflatable object in most cases stays on the avalanche surface or gets buried like the person.

Avalanche balloon was presented on gore-ljudje.net and also on GRZS.si

I don't know, the purpose of the topic was to seek answers, but there are few concrete arguments. Sadly the debate developed in the direction: buy airbag because it works.
Let's think outside the box:
most mountaineers are unequipped and what's wrong if a product even homemade could contribute to greater safety? I don't care about mockery. If it worked it would be just a plus.

I'll ask again a bit differently: What interests you more. That unequipped mountaineers without airbags at least use homemade avalanche balloons or nothing at all?
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tol10. 02. 2010 20:55:38
Another silly idea occurred to me!

Almost everyone uses a metal thermos. Or even better ice axe and crampons. Too much metal for this:
http://www.enaa.com/oddelki/conrad/izd_3661_CO674575_Detektor_za_kovine_Security_Plus

Am I exaggerating already? Just don't see why it wouldn't work.
Only problem would be if it sweeps aside the ice axe and backpack with thermos. Then there would be multiple points indicating a metal object.
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Zebdi10. 02. 2010 20:58:07
Basically the thing is quite simple; everyone should have what they believe will help them in case of burial - be it a talisman, transceiver, balloon or even a helium balloon. I decided to buy an avalanche kit - i.e. transceiver, shovel and probe. And of course company of good friends, with whom we DO NOT go into dangerous conditions. Will it help me? I hope wink
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IgorZlodej10. 02. 2010 21:44:29
According to some unofficial estimates, only 15% of winter mountain visitors in Slovenia use avalanche kit, including responsible skiers who ski off-piste so-called freeriders. Equipping in this direction is slowly growing, but things would change quickly if, for example, handled also through insurance, issuing bills for rescue costs in cases where the affected obviously neglects these safety factors or in plain words doesn't equip appropriately for winter mountain visits. Meanwhile experts in this field constantly work to update current gear with improvements and develop new aids, but it's necessary to know that none of them is omnipotent and it still holds that the most important is own appropriate assessment of conditions and own abilities, and consideration of avalanche danger warnings, use of practical knowledge and experience.
A backcountry skier was swept away by a slab avalanche, activated ABS and stayed on surface with a broken leg1
detached slab on Kanin winter January 20092
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stefanb11. 02. 2010 13:49:40
"use at least homemade avalanche balloons".

As long as you use such a balloon yourself, no problem. When you start making such balloons, giving them away or selling them, you also take responsibility that the thing works or doesn't tear or burst. And to prove that, you need to certify it. And that all costs money. And we're back to money.
Anyway, anything is better than nothing.
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stefanb11. 02. 2010 13:58:43
And an article about the ball:
http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/52750/
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tol15. 02. 2010 18:33:01
Does anyone else have an avalanche cord?
Google finds almost nothing.

If any "experienced" mountaineer still has a specimen at home, I'd be grateful for a photo.

Regards
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ljubitelj gora23. 11. 2010 13:37:25
You know how some of us are, we can't be bothered to search old threads, my purpose with this thread is for alpinists, hikers to summarize in bullet points what to be aware of in snowy conditions, what to be cautious about.
Don't write long answers, just bullet points.


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atoamac23. 11. 2010 14:20:27
Plonk for mountain lover:
- Question: what to be cautious about?
- answer in bullet points: only one's own carelessness.
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aljazek23. 11. 2010 15:06:22
ljubitelj, if you couldn't be bothered to search old threads, how will you manage Norwegian or Swiss method of cutting snow cover to check stability or avalanche danger?

Be cautious on: seracs, crevasses, cliffs, avalanches, crampons catching, inadequate equipment, improper equipment use, shorter days, lower temperatures, cornices, weather conditions (fresh snow, heavy snowfall, fog,...), ice on exposed parts, ice on rocks, harder snow navigation, snow blindness, wet clothes in cold, always ice axe with crampons, gaiters on crampons, after heavy snow wait for settling, hypothermia, frostbite, chilblains, blisters, drinking water can freeze, iodine in winter not recommended, yetis kidnap people,...
Yeti cub, adults are much larger1
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ljubitelj gora23. 11. 2010 15:53:48
Don't talk to me about equipment, because I know what I would need, I'm more interested in avalanches, snow-covered holes under snow, fresh snow (up to what degree is it still OK, safe to go to mountains). When does snow usually become hard, how many days after snowfall?
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aljazek23. 11. 2010 16:03:39
You know which one you'd need, but can you use it? Can you self-arrest with ice axe if you slip on a slope? Snow hardening/settling is not simple process that just needs time, depends on temperature, snow depth, slope angle, aspect (different north vs south), solar radiation (slower in cloudy/foggy),...
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bari23. 11. 2010 16:15:24
haha, aljazek, you're the king! Excellent photomontage! nasmeh
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JusAvgustin23. 11. 2010 16:18:42
ljubitelj... for you only few words. winter safe movement course in mountains(winter conditions)nasmeh what good is equipment if you have no idea about itjezen. I sign under aljazek's postsmežikanje
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ljubitelj gora23. 11. 2010 16:22:04
Did I mention anywhere I'd go to 2000m peaks in winter conditions, I aim up to max 1600m, about equipment well it's like that, there's always gnar problem, so for now not thinking about any serious equipment,...
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ljubitelj gora23. 11. 2010 16:29:00
I expected more serious answers on this forum. I set up a thread, a question that exclusively relates only to hills, but I get some sausages from the answers. If I had posed the question wrong, you would ask me again and I would try to pose the question anew.

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aljazek23. 11. 2010 16:37:00
A vaguely defined question gets the most generalized answer, of course. For snow there's no universal formula for calculation; it needs feeling and experience. Often you have to turn back mid-ascent when you see that snow conditions have changed and it has become too dangerous to continue. I think my answer is fully satisfactory.
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Murglovc23. 11. 2010 16:37:49
@ mountain lover

Relatively safe at 1st level, if you know the terrain you're walking on you can do 2nd level too. Anything more is already very dangerous.
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aljazek23. 11. 2010 16:40:00
http://www.arso.gov.si/vreme/napovedi%20in%20podatki/snegraz.html

Right now it's, say, 3., so you can at home by the fireplace read some book about it.
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ljubitelj gora23. 11. 2010 16:43:38
Ok thanks
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