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Solidarity in the mountains, Tyrolean declaration and similar nonsense

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Žiga2226. 07. 2011 16:10:13
Don't let the title mislead you, my intention was to provoke (because for some the values in the mentioned declaration are obviously really a Spanish village or the ninth care) mežikanje.

On 24(k)ur I spotted this article:

http://24ur.com/novice/slovenija/foto-slovenci-resili-slovaka-iz-stene.html

I think it's a disaster. I won't moralize that the Slovak obviously went into the wall insufficiently equipped (without a rope) and unprepared, fuck it he brought it on himself and others can't do anything about it.

What shocked me is that the mountaineers literally "climbed over him" and left him to himself. And read the comments under the news to see what all folk experiences.

This is going nowhere... Has the morality and selflessness of mountaineers now gone so much to shit that we can't even help a person? And I'm not even interested if he's to blame for the shit he's in himself, damn it we have to help.

Although I've been going to the mountains for just over 10 years, I've already many times escorted some tired hiker to the valley, shared water with someone who ran out, sometimes even if someone looks (over)tired anyway for safety I ask; "will it be ok?", hell I even searched for a couple of Czechs at midnight on Triglav glacier when they got lost and couldn't find Kredarica.

What do you think about this? Have you ever helped someone in the mountains?

Please don't let this turn into mutual accusations and settling scores or something similar (hope you know what I mean). nasmeh
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bandy26. 07. 2011 19:10:23
I also had a case recently, how we Slovenes can also be unsolidary (unwilling to help). Last week I climbed Triglav via Tominškova, descent was planned via Prag. But what, when misfortune never rests! On Triglavski podi I injured my ankle. At first I thought it was just a sprain, but later it turned out the ankle was broken. After the injury I took off my shoe, first cooled it with snow, then took an elastic bandage from first aid and bandaged my leg a bit harder hoping I could continue the path. After about 100 meters I realized it just won't go!
Now the essence of my writing! While struggling those 100 m, I met five Slovenian couples heading towards Kredarica. They looked at me sideways, didn't even say good day, although I greeted them. Later I meet a group of Austrians or Germans. Their guide approached, introduced himself and offered help! In hard English we agreed that if I can't make it I'll call rescuers myself. Handshake in thanks and they continue, I already observe the surroundings where would be the best place for rescue or helicopter access. When I find it (a slightly larger platform), I also call rescuers, since I saw no sense in continuing. Pain and awareness that it makes no sense to complicate the situation for myself and also not for rescuers.
So no one thinks what I expected! Maybe just a word that someone would offer help, although I know (and you too) that no one could concretely help me. But the feeling that you're not alone in such moments means a lot. I also helped in the past and didn't turn my head away. In such moments you see where our mountaineering etiquette is. Most today strive how to get to the goal faster, forgetting the essence of mountaineering - admiring the beauties of our mountains, mountaineering solidarity, which is already very rare.
True, the longer one is a mountaineer, the more experience, more feeling for nature and of course for mountaineers. Unfortunately today you see more and more new mountaineers in our mountains who are not interested in mountain beauties, joy of conquering the peak, but to get to the goal as fast as possible, to be dressed in the latest fashion and to sing praises to friends in their name. And these mountaineers forget the mountaineers' code. Nice greeting, handshake, laughter, enthusiasm at conquering the goal and most importantly, help to mountaineers in trouble. Sometimes an encouraging word is enough, maybe a call for help, most of all that a person has a person beside them.
On this occasion, since I'm writing about this incident, I would like to thank the on-duty police helicopter team from Brnik and the rescuers! I hope you won't have such contacts with them as me, but still these are guys about whom one can only say the best!!
Guys THANKS!!!
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geppo26. 07. 2011 20:35:13
Yes, unfortunately there are more and more such cases when a person doesn't get help when they need it. Only rushing towards the goal....
lp
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JusAvgustin26. 07. 2011 20:38:50
I was in the spotlight for a whole month because of "solidarity", because some can't swallow their pride and ego... But I'm always ready to help anyone if it's within my power.

Lp, Juš
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viharnik26. 07. 2011 20:39:22
Brandy, good that we have in GRS ranks superhumans in soul and humanity. I'm not surprised in today's times such weak consciousness towards helping fellow humans in distress. They don't realize that all people are created equal and we all have the same feelings (we rejoice the same, perceive nature's beauties, feel peace and calm, are tired, hungry, long for fulfillment of the soul at the top etc.) Spiritual rule is that if someone in adverse circumstances doesn't help a fellow human, he himself won't develop goodness in himself, even less nobility and the emerging harmony, because only with good deeds one becomes aware of forgotten divine qualities, as well as opens energy centers, i.e. flower chakras, where every petal contains some divine quality. All people walk the same path. We are like parts of a wagon wheel connected to each other and only with common strengths and different good qualities will we one day reach the goal. Whoever helps others primarily helps himself = higher spiritual teaching.
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VanSims27. 07. 2011 09:42:37
For now I haven't encountered a case where someone specifically needed help.

But it's true as bandy says, what kind of people go to the mountains. Such people not only don't help and not only don't have the necessary equipment themselves but are also arrogant.

Last time when I went through the gorge towards Martuljek waterfall (so where it already says at the entrance that a helmet is needed), I meet a group of hikers. All of course without helmets. I had one and one says to her husband: 'see we should have one too'. I then very kindly said that it says below that it's recommended, her husband arrogantly: 'well then we recommend ourselves!'

Accidents happen also because of such. That's how it is when cattle go to the mountains. And I hope the honest cattle that peacefully graze up there don't mind me comparing them to those velik nasmeh
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