Healthy diet and my success in the last year
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| ljubitelj gora1. 11. 2010 23:34:16 |
@julius
There is no need to write such comments that turn the topic into a pure fight and hard to read.
I don't insult anyone, don't criticize anyone... and write comments related to the topic, not your own imagination.
I think you have no respect for beginners who started hiking in the mountains.
Answer of one coach:
Probably the goal is to complete the tour more easily and give the body needed substances during long efforts.
Definitely choose easily digestible normal food (avoid sandwiches and standard caloric meals unless 3 hours after the meal you can rest).
If full-day hike, then take some gel, energy bar (Animal Snak, energy drink, nuts and of course don't forget enough fluid intake (most optimal is 7% OH solution like THE Isodrink). Other food that burdens digestion I wouldn't recommend. In the evening you can eat normal meal that digests overnight.
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| Irina2. 11. 2010 01:00:18 |
Hello!
Interesting how the "discussion" on healthy eating developed. With interest I read the PD Ljubno article whose link "aljazek" contributed.
"ljubitelj gora", sorry, but I know only gel used for hairstyles. You can consider me old-fashioned too. But, I/we choose tours according to physical fitness and not according to availability of chemical aids.
Also full-day, high-mountain tour (8 - 11 hours) I/we complete with pure "normal" food without chemical additives or drinks.
The goal for me is recreation, pure enjoyment in nature and pleasant company with mountain friends. No one among us has burdened themselves with the number of peaks, achieved times, difficulty levels... etc. When there is enough fitness and mental readiness, we go for a higher peak, but that is not the only purpose of hiking.
And at the end I will joke a bit, instead of Animal Snak sometimes Animal Luna is with us.
I wish you a pleasant week.
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| JusAvgustin2. 11. 2010 07:44:19 |
I lick stones along the path for salt and mineral intake into the body  , I started practicing various fruit and chocolate bars (frutabela mmmmmm... usually take all flavors), don't give up on sandwiches or sausages and zaksa (them) and of course instant energy boost-chocolate! usually have liquid with me (don't overdo it with that either), in summer for most demanding hikes maybe 2L, in winter 1L tea and maybe some juice, which is frozen when I/we reach the top , don't worry much about food, eat what I like, drink what I like too. In huts eat and drink little or almost nothing, since the path rarely takes me near a hut. After hikes, climbs, etc. we always go for beer, already due to habit (and because it tastes good!). There the idea for many next variants comes up. I also practiced for some time eating 300 grams of pasta with tuna (plain) in the evening before departure. With that I survived the next day + some banana. Everyone should eat what they like, where they like and as much as they like. There is no single recipe that guarantees food for the mountains. Tastes are different, age is different, habits are different, above all it is important: TAKE THE TRASH WITH US TO THE VALLEY!
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| atoamac2. 11. 2010 09:47:05 |
From now on I won't lick stones along the path anymore. Hygiene must be observed in the mountains too. Otherwise ice cream tastes best at the top.
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| neph2. 11. 2010 11:21:14 |
Mountain lover, I assume you follow nutritional strategies written on various forums on "sports" nutrition (maxximu, e.g.). Let me warn you that there the guys and girls aim to increase muscle mass in the body as much as possible in a certain period, detailed menus for that. Same for losing body fat or definition. Completely different nutrition plans have e.g. runners or cyclists, because they have different goals. Also that about 3-hour rest after meal is a bit far-fetched. After 3-4 hours a new meal must follow if you want 5-6 meals in a day, which is some optimum by certain standards. Each individual should judge how much time they need to handle load normally. For me it's about 1-2 hours, depending on last meal composition. In nutrition it's not black and white at all, although some think so. Basically I'd say most people lately choose menus completely unsuitable for them. Everything in moderation, and it'll be fine. I don't claim at all that nutrition strategies described on mentioned sites are bad. Quite the opposite. But take them a bit with reserve and don't believe everything a semi-layman writes on forum.
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| atoamac2. 11. 2010 11:32:01 |
Sometimes we used Gorenjka chocolate for mineral intake, as it listed among ingredients, I think 6% sand. Now it doesn't say that anymore. Don't know if they have new processes or were more honest back then...
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| svizec62. 11. 2010 11:42:18 |
I'm glad that through forum you can learn opinions and experiences of others too. Excessive philosophizing and highlighting own opinion on certain topics probably really isn't the point of recreational mountain lovers forum. Different story is nutrition of pro athletes, which usually borders on doping.
But I think for all of us most important is to feel good in mountains, as most of you mentioned. If that includes some beer or slivovitz because that's what suits that day, nothing wrong. I go to mountains since 4 years old and as I say looking back, experienced mountains age-appropriately in each period. In youth speed was more important (to Triglav summit from Vrata in 3 hours) and marathoners (isotonic drinks), later more aesthetic pleasures with nice views. On nutrition I think take food with you that suits you best that day. Maybe need to think more about nutrition only on longer and harder hikes, to take enough liquid and calories. Best regards all! And many more nice hikes!
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| neph2. 11. 2010 13:14:27 |
Let me just add my opinion on nutritional supplements... Some avoid them widely, users get label "chemist" etc. immediately. Everything available legally in Slovenian sports nutrition stores surely doesn't harm in average amounts, as rules here are quite strict (compared to other countries), so suspicious stuff "on shelf" practically can't be gotten. Great majority of products can only benefit even recreational, so unfounded fear of them is quite unnecessary. In all stores today we find food with lots and lots of additives, which most of us use regularly. But when it comes to nutritional supplements, many people start yelling...
ps. Of course expressing only my personal conviction, which I don't want to force on anyone, so no hard feelings.
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| heinz30. 01. 2011 20:02:53 |
Fear (worry) of wrong food and drink in mountains is not superfluous at all. Today's event at Belska planina Svečica confirms that, where experienced mountaineer with lots of mileage suffered badly right after energy drink. Whether it was some infarct or stroke, can't say yet, but apparently something similar.. After descending from Struška to hut, he treated himself to almost fatal drink there..
Helicopter intervention followed and of course much surprise of those present.
Hope for as favorable outcome as possible for this unfortunate hiker.
Warning against certain artificial stimulants that *give wings* is completely in place.
So caution!
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| viharnik30. 01. 2011 22:20:55 |
Usually modern drinks that give "wings" act only as a stimulant and even that for a short time. They cause the heart rate to increase, but not naturally as during physical exertion. I found that long ago with coffee, which somehow gives a morning boost after clarification for many people, but for me there was no positive body feedback on that stimulant. Enough are some Tai-chi breathing exercises, about 30 breaths and the body is ready for daily efforts. Otherwise now we find lots of vitamin C in red oranges, lots of energy, copper, zinc in dried figs or dates and they also care for digestion. The only positively tested from my side is the isotonic drink Hot sport drink or Maxim energy drink, which quickly replaces all used vitamins and minerals with precisely dosed harmless elements. I drink it for years only during sports efforts and it really gives new energy to the body for ahead. No muscle fatigue (muscle fiber) even after long hours of walking, cycling. Otherwise I recommend besides that drink as much fresh, easily digestible food during physical efforts (fruit, muesli bars, nuts). When we stop for longer, we treat ourselves to more caloric home food too.
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| turbo31. 01. 2011 08:56:37 |
I have already written something on this topic on this forum, but anyway. About 10 years I tested various ways of eating and quenching thirst on hikes. First sandwiches and iced teas, Frutabellas and juices with water, etc. And a bit of this and a bit of that (nuts, dried fruit..). Now for some years I use the iron classic and it works excellently for me. Before every hike a solid breakfast, in summer butter and jam and cocoa, in winter eggs with ham and cocoa. On the hike, no matter how long it lasts and no matter how demanding it is (walking, scrambling, skiing, etc.) I have with me two energy bars, 1l to 1.5l Isostar and obligatory Red Bull. In winter I have with me 0.5l hot tea, 0.5l Isostar and Red Bull. Never hungry or thirsty during and after the hike, Red Bull I treat myself to instead of afternoon coffee. I am very satisfied with the mentioned combination. But it is a fact that to each his own or everyone knows best for himself 
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| GričarA31. 01. 2011 11:43:37 |
I spread 3 big slices of bread before the hike (cottage cheese-homemade jam)
Usually I get hungry after 1-2h walking, but try to hold out to the top. At the top usually eat 1-2 tuna tins, 2 slices of bread. Sometimes a sandwich (salami, cheese) with yogurt.
When I get home lunch is usually already waiting .
In between drink water from water bladder. 1-2l
It seems to me I eat quite a lot, but still under 65kg
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| JusAvgustin31. 01. 2011 12:02:11 |
do you go to mountains to eat? metabolism is your ally, just like mine! on tour I don't eat, at top some chocolate, in between Frutella, drink quite a lot... especially when back in valley
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| GričarA31. 01. 2011 12:09:32 |
I have to, if I'm constantly hungry.
I'm still in greener years, probably it also depends on age.
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| JusAvgustin31. 01. 2011 12:12:36 |
hahahahahaha, the best. I would immediately try that cottage cheese of yours...
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| atoamac31. 01. 2011 13:31:35 |
... depends on age too? If you have a metabolism like mine (back then under Yugoslavia, we joked that I devour like a Zaporozhets), then you have to add to the fire every hour, say. Anything, even cottage cheese.
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| igorf31. 01. 2011 13:45:32 |
To me (doesn't) suit:
Neither the day before nor on tour: no baked, especially fatty meat and no sweets. Result: restlessness and heavy legs and above-average thirst.
During the tour always wholegrain bread and something light with it, never salty salami etc., because it causes thirst. I drink only water. The most important to me seems breakfast, like every day, regardless of time, tested: handful of sesame, handful of wheat and handful of oat flakes, teaspoon of cocoa, 2.5 dl sour milk.
One beer at the hut or at the end has never harmed me.
What if we said something about taverns after the finished tour, where you get some good hot stew at a reasonable price: I e.g. when I go somewhere above Tolmin and on the return early enough and hungry (like yesterday after return from Vogel already at 15h), turn to Most na Soči to Vuga inn, where they always have good jota and beans.
What about in other areas, does anyone have something similar?
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| heinz10. 02. 2011 22:26:41 |
In Jesenice we once had a "mountaineer", always shod in gojzarji, with backpack etc, who regularly frequented city taverns and boasted quite a bit where all he had gone. Although in reality usually didn't go further than from tavern to tavern. (Igorf: not aimed at you)
Must say, the happenings in Aljažev dom at Dovje remind me a bit of that story. Or elsewhere.., in Ld in Zavrhu..
Myself in mountains at huts and taverns usually don't eat (don't trust various stews too much, since walking stimulates digestion.. then, -if something doesn't "settle", can cause "cosmic strike, vatroslav, hidroslav" etc). And then you leave that stew nearby - already half an hour walk from hut. That's not cool.
Was (at least) once in company of two who had complete faithful trust, but still couldn't bring stomach contents to valley.
Otherwise -down below gladly drink a beer. That's it. Some carry cans to Triglav.. People are different.
At least trash should be carried to valley!
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| BT8811. 02. 2011 09:44:31 |
Heinz wrote what's spot on. The pace of walking (running) is important too and the day before lots of carbs, then it'll be ok. For me lately in the morning besides coffee also a little panino (sandwich) white bread and prosciutto
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