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| dprapr12. 12. 2023 18:37:29 |
In the above topic in News (The habit has spread that we start the tour...), I came across this statement:
"Mountaineering has quite a large carbon footprint, because we usually drive quite far to the top," Rovan concluded.
Since you can't comment there, I'd ask here to support the above statement with some data too, if you're publishing something. Not just off the cuff.
I'm really curious what carbon footprint (data) we leave up there if we drive cars to the highest starting point. In comparison, of course, with all the trees growing there that eliminate this carbon footprint. If we really cause a risk to people and the planet with this, I suggest filling in those roads so no one "does harm" anymore.
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| Jusk12. 12. 2023 19:00:05 |
So that means when you drive to the hills you don't leave a trace because there's forest around anyway.. then we leave no trace nowhere, not in hills, not on highway, not in city, because trees are always nearby or how do you explain that? Diesel are super, emit roses into air smells nice when someone drives to hill for example Triglavska bistrica trail, unfortunately part goes on road and really nice to smell diesel stink, but yeah, no risk in your opinion
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| turbo12. 12. 2023 19:15:58 |
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| n3jc12. 12. 2023 19:42:41 |
If you first do 80km on highway, the bulk of carbon footprint is there, not on the last few km.
When talking about carbon footprint it makes sense to conclude to turn to local huts more often, not park one parking lower in Alps. Latter comes when talking about infrastructure load, here I understand argument not to push higher and higher. While at it - isn't more comfortable to park e.g. at Dom in Kamniška Bistrica and go on foot, than crawl to Jermanci and tremble if there'll be space and if rangers pass by... ?
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| dprapr12. 12. 2023 20:01:34 |
“So that means when you drive to the mountains you leave no trace, because there's forest around anyway…”
Somewhere I saw data, don't know if it's accurate, that 1 tree neutralizes 22kg CO2 per year. A Slovenian resident supposedly produces 6t CO2 per year.
If that's true, then we're not the ones who should stop mountain drives due to risk. Yeah, some would love everyone walking to local hillocks, others for the chosen.
And data from Forest and forestry:
Number of trees in Slovenia
According to survey estimate, number of trees in Slovenia exceeds 1.420.500.000 trees, about 71.100 trees per sq km or 689 per inhabitant. Globally Slovenia 102nd by trees after Latvia before Senegal. Slovenia 3rd by trees per sq km after Faroe Islands (73.601) and Finland (72.644).
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| Daaam13. 12. 2023 06:57:41 |
Drago, all this falls under what we've been yelling up here for a while - mountains for the chosen and tourists on vacation ready to open their wallets more. The rest get guilt-tripped that we're lucky to go anywhere. If you read lately, you see headlines-- "recommended ski touring routes..(believe me, soon bans or only permitted) tour starts in valley etc.. traffic calming (pay or stay home)..My favorites are all articles around Bohinj bowl
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| DVas13. 12. 2023 08:55:34 |
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| Jusk14. 12. 2023 19:31:33 |
"So that means when you drive to mountains, no trace because forest around" is sarcasm so you don't misunderstand but yeah, some still think their cars release roses in air local hills no-no for those because local hills not enough for forum post
When talking carbon footprint generally, as long as Africa and almost all Asia throw most trash to sea, it's pointless saving world by banning plastic straws and ear sticks etc nonsense
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| DVas15. 12. 2023 08:19:30 |
And as long as tankers, planes, ships etc on fossil fuels exist cars are a drop in the ocean.
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| Becar15. 12. 2023 12:12:18 |
It's just to make general population poorer so they have more. While someone here thinks what carbon footprint driving over Vršič will make, green agendists buy new faster plane and 10L car with sports exhaust. Don't be naive please. Enjoy life without burdening with carbon footprints and similar nonsense.
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| lino16. 12. 2023 12:32:48 |
Soon the situation will improve. The Alpine Association of Slovenia is already preparing the "ON FOOT FROM VALLEYS TO HEIGHTS" action to reduce the carbon footprint. I hope it gets wide mountaineering support.
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| mirank16. 12. 2023 16:56:39 |
Apparently we're smarter than most of the developed world where the starts are really high in the hills. And surprise, most roads are asphalted; maybe car leaves smaller carbon footprint if not digging into slope, also no need to repair path yearly.
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| Pi_is_exactly_320. 12. 2023 15:22:52 |
CO2 is food for trees. From that perspective, environmentally most correct if person drives as high as possible so trees benefit too.
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| hočo20. 12. 2023 20:57:22 |
Why worry, didn't Greta say 2023 is the end of the world?
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